Kiwivillan Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) The Premier League states the official definition is: "Subject to Rule T.7, a contract player, either by himself or by any person on his behalf, shall not either directly or indirectly make any such approach as is referred to in Rule T.5 without having obtained the prior written consent of his club." City fans believe personal terms agreed. Bollocks Edited July 16, 2021 by Kiwivillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Every window. Bullshit rumours abound about Jack leaving, and people start punching their tits over it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) All the stories are saying one common thing - City need to sell some players to fund this transfer, given the whole squad earns stupid money, finding clubs that’ll take them is going to be hard, unless they subsidise the wages. They also don’t sell to those clubs around them. Unless they change tact, it only really leaves clubs on the continent as potential buyers. Which isn’t very many. I hope Jack stays with us and we keep matching his ambitions, City don’t really need him, they dominated the league and bottled the final, they’ll still be there or there abouts next season regardless. We’re in danger of becoming a boring one team league like Germany if they continue to buy the best players from the teams trying to compete and break into those top spots. Anyway, here’s hoping that new contract is signed soon Edited July 16, 2021 by TH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: The Premier League states the official definition is: "Subject to Rule T.7, a contract player, either by himself or by any person on his behalf, shall not either directly or indirectly make any such approach as is referred to in Rule T.5 without having obtained the prior written consent of his club." City fans believe personal terms agreed. Bollocks Happened with both Barry and Milner though. Talks happened behind Villa's back and contract terms were agreed before any transfer offer was accepted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, est1874 said: Happened with both Barry and Milner though. Talks happened behind Villa's back and contract terms were agreed before any transfer offer was accepted. That's not what I remember about Milner. Milner had no idea he was for sale until gobshite MON said so 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 If this happens I’m done with football, the game is doomed. Barry, Milner, Delph, Grealish. FFP puts a lid on everyone and ensures the status quo in perpetuity, anomalies like Leicester are only a blip and the money smooths it over soon enough. If they can cherry pick Grealish and Kane the PL becomes another Scots or French league. It’s a joke. For the love of the game I pray this doesn’t happen. If it does we are back to uncomfortable bottom half again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramshackler Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: The Premier League states the official definition is: "Subject to Rule T.7, a contract player, either by himself or by any person on his behalf, shall not either directly or indirectly make any such approach as is referred to in Rule T.5 without having obtained the prior written consent of his club." City fans believe personal terms agreed. Bollocks Listen it’s obvious this is common place. The player doesn’t even need to speak to the club. It’s all done via agents who discuss via representatives so no direct contact with club. It’s easy enough to establish the personal terms are not an issue this way. that’s when clubs and agents even bother to adhere to this rule, which the majority don’t as almost impossible to prove and when has anyone ever been given a punishment for breaching it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, ramshackler said: Listen it’s obvious this is common place. The player doesn’t even need to speak to the club. It’s all done via agents who discuss via representatives so no direct contact with club. It’s easy enough to establish the personal terms are not an issue this way. that’s when clubs and agents even bother to adhere to this rule, which the majority don’t as almost impossible to prove and when has anyone ever been given a punishment for breaching it? If hypothetically we ended up signing ESR, this is probably how. Put feelers out to his agent, indicate what he could earn with us and he decides not to sign a new contract at Arse. Problem for us is we’ve always been on the wrong end of it up to now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 6 hours ago, est1874 said: Happened with both Barry and Milner though. Talks happened behind Villa's back and contract terms were agreed before any transfer offer was accepted. Agreed. Player is sounded out to see if he is interested in a move as one of the first steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, thunderball said: If this happens I’m done with football, the game is doomed. Barry, Milner, Delph, Grealish. FFP puts a lid on everyone and ensures the status quo in perpetuity, anomalies like Leicester are only a blip and the money smooths it over soon enough. If they can cherry pick Grealish and Kane the PL becomes another Scots or French league. It’s a joke. For the love of the game I pray this doesn’t happen. If it does we are back to uncomfortable bottom half again. I feel you, but it's Jack you/we should be pissed off with if it did happen, not FFP. Our owners wouldn't sell him unless he wanted to go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, kidlewis said: Exactly, they made the mistake with Delph literally days before and even made him captain. they cannot be that stupid twice surely In fairness, the Delph situation is not remotely comparable, we were so mismanaged that he got a short term contract extension with the £8m release fee rather than lose him for free. Grealish has another four years to go with no such fee. Edited July 17, 2021 by The_Steve 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveAV1 Posted July 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) People keep referring to things that have happened in the past, Milner, Delph etc. But this isn’t the past, Aston Villa are a completely different club now. We are an ambitious, extremely well run club backed by huge wealth. The fact that NSWE bring so much more to the table than their wealth though is the significant factor here. Until the Xia fiasco we’ve never really been badly financed since the late 60s. Deadly kept us tight for money but back then we weren’t ever skint, he just never went the extra mile. Deadly lacked the massive finance that has come into the game in recent years, he had many faults but wasn’t a total idiot. I’ll skip over the Bendals. Lerner had enough wealth to make a difference. Ok the Russian and the Arabs could blow him away but shear wealth wasn’t the issue. His inherited wealth allowed him to buy an expensive toy but that was about as far as his real interest went. I wouldn’t say he didn’t care, initially anyway, and he did put his money on the table but essentially he couldn’t be bothered to go to the trouble to set up the club properly. He is on record as saying that basically every thing should be left up to MON. I think his words were along the lines, “You don’t interfere with these top guys”. Graham Taylor set up a meeting with him soon after his arrival but he he sent a minion along instead. Big mistake. His other, possibly bigger mistake was letting Steve Stride go. Stride had virtually run the club for Doug for years. What he didn’t know wasn’t worth knowing about the club. Lerner appointed various CEOs none of whom had a clue about football and once his wealth was essentially cut in half by his divorce, even his passing interest more or less disappeared altogether. His final and utterly disastrous act was to allow a charlatan like Xia to gain control. He just wanted out and didn’t care how or about the consequences. Xia was a chancer, the last type you need to meet when you’re in trouble. The club was in trouble and it was getting deeper by the day. Could any of us imagine a man like Keith Wyness working for NSWE? The plan was always do anything to get promoted back to the PL, grab the money and run. The best thing that happened to Aston Villa in this whole terrible and tragic affair was to lose the play off final against Fulham. The long term damage done to us with Xia spending PL money doesn’t bare thinking about. Even if NSWE had come in at a later date, which I doubt, we would at best be put back years and years and at worst finished completely as a viable PL club, if we still existed at all. It’s the sports business intelligence that NSWE have brought to us that gives me such confidence that Jack and other stars in the future will no longer be cherry picked from us. Any future sales will be very much on our terms. We are no longer the rabbit frozen in the headlights. We’re big, strong and clever, nobody bullies or takes Aston Villa for a ride anymore. Edited July 17, 2021 by DaveAV1 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 You can just see how magnificent these owners and Purslow are in the way theyve gone about getting all the big players nailed down to Long term deals in Jack, Mings, Konsa, McGinn. You saw City do the same regularly with Silva, Kompany, Aguero, etc. 5 year deals across the board. Then what theyve done in transforming the younger age groups. We continue to hoover up the best talent in the Midlands and further afar. The environment is superb at Villa now, in the space of 2 years we’ve become a very fashionable club again and lots of players looking in from the outside will want to join, especially young English lads who can see we are predominantly English in our playing staff and have clear routes to the national team. Think its understated what a masterstroke it was by the big wigs to get Purslow to be a shareholder before landing the role. He does his job with extra motivation because of this and has been first class tbf. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 10 hours ago, MadridVilla said: So here's the masterplan: Villa convince City there's a slim chance of signing Grealish if the price is right City sell players to generate funds for Grealish and weaken their squad Grealish signs a new deal with Villa, leaving City with a gaping hole in their squad Villa fly past City in the league and win the double, with Grealish knighted for services to leg muscles. NSWE are just playing chess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2021 10 hours ago, TH said: All the stories are saying one common thing - City need to sell some players to fund this transfer, given the whole squad earns stupid money, finding clubs that’ll take them is going to be hard, unless they subsidise the wages. They also don’t sell to those clubs around them. Unless they change tact, it only really leaves clubs on the continent as potential buyers. Which isn’t very many. Yeah, I was thinking that too. Who's going to take on Citeh players on their wages right now? With a big enough fee to fund Grealish? All the clubs who could traditionally make that kind of transfer are broke. How can Citeh negotiate terms with him if they've not even unloaded the players they would need to in order to generate the funds. It's all such total bullshit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Yeah, I was thinking that too. Who's going to take on Citeh players on their wages right now? With a big enough fee to fund Grealish? All the clubs who could traditionally make that kind of transfer are broke. How can Citeh negotiate terms with him if they've not even unloaded the players they would need to in order to generate the funds. It's all such total bullshit. True, also is it not glaringly obvious they need a striker most importantly. I thought they'd go all out for Haaland but he seems Chelsea bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 His agent is a freak. Jack doesnt need one. Our owners would give him whatever he wants every single year. He can negotiate anything himself. Doesnt surprise me if his agent just touts him about as if he’s for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: That's not what I remember about Milner. Milner had no idea he was for sale until gobshite MON said so Milner was on holiday in Dubai prior to pre-season and got doorstepped by Man City reps IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, sidcow said: Yeah, I was thinking that too. Who's going to take on Citeh players on their wages right now? With a big enough fee to fund Grealish? All the clubs who could traditionally make that kind of transfer are broke. How can Citeh negotiate terms with him if they've not even unloaded the players they would need to in order to generate the funds. It's all such total bullshit. I don’t think he’s leaving, but let’s not forget Abu Dhabi Inc already put down 100m for Kane without selling anyone. They’ve got those funds available now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, Awol said: I don’t think he’s leaving, but let’s not forget Abu Dhabi Inc already put down 100m for Kane without selling anyone. They’ve got those funds available now. It’s a good point - I can see Kane happening - well in his prime, Spurs aren’t really going anywhere, Aguero leaving, Jesus is never going to be a first choice striker. I don’t doubt they want Grealish - but they have so many players in that wide/AM position, they’ve got to move some of them on otherwise how are they going to keep all of them happy? The City model seems to be high paying long term contracts which the players are happy to run down (we’ve learnt this…. Micah) - moving on players for them is going to be difficult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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