Zatman Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) Why would a manager not build the team around his star player. Messi, Ronaldo, Vardy are players in better teams who have a system designed for them in recent times Edited December 23, 2019 by Zatman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 He'll be gone in the summer and I wouldn't blame him tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Pretty gutted that we get this extraordinary talent and it looks like we won't be able to see the best of it and build around it. Hope we can stay up to give us more chance of doing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 43 minutes ago, Zatman said: Why would a manager not build the team around his star player. Messi, Ronaldo, Vardy are players in better teams who have a system designed for them in recent times Why would you build a team around a player who's not likely to be around in 18 months, I do think he will be around next season but after that he'll be coming into his prime and will go to a bigger team most likely playing in the CL (hopefully somewhere in Spain as he'll be appreciated in that league). And the best of luck to him he's given more than enough for the team he supports! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: He'll be gone in the summer and I wouldn't blame him tbh. If we stay up he will give us another season I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 23 hours ago, useless said: Do people forget that we've only won one game with him playing in central midfield, he might perform well as an individual in that position but as a team we suffer, we could get away with it in the championship, but in the premier league we need three specialist midfielders, otherwise we'll just get overrun in midfield. Not to mention that he's been much improved himself since moving out wide. We didn't suffer because Jack was playing in CM we suffered because the forwards we have are not up to standard so he had to get played out of position (in a position he hates), if we get a decent winger in Jan (Benrahma unless Spurs get in there first) it will transform us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 We suffered because we're not good enough to play with a midfield three of Luiz, Grealish and McGinn, that's two attacking midfielders, and a 'DM' in Luiz that isn't an actual DM but rather a deep-lying playmaker, you could also say it's a three man midfield made up of three luxury players, any team in the league would struggle playing with three such midfielders, we need more combative types in there who will hold their position, otherwise teams will just walk through us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I thought we did ok against the scousers in the 1 - 2 defeat without Jack. Now I might get lynched for saying this but I think all the players look at Jack and expect him to do all the work. I wonder if Jack doesn't play then this means the others have to step up like they did against the scousers? I am not saying get rid of Jack but we do seem to be a one man team when he plays..... stop Jack, you stop Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Oh and can someone with more tactical knowledge than me explain why Jack cannot play in the middle why out on the wing, it restricts him to half the pitch! Regards Del Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, useless said: We suffered because we're not good enough to play with a midfield three of Luiz, Grealish and McGinn, that's two attacking midfielders, and a 'DM' in Luiz that isn't an actual DM but rather a deep-lying playmaker, you could also say it's a three man midfield made up of three luxury players, any team in the league would struggle playing with three such midfielders, we need more combative types in there who will hold their position, otherwise teams will just walk through us. If you have a manager who insists on playing attacking 4-3-3 football you have to play with two attacking midfielders! It's a game of score more than you concede, but i agree DL is not that DM that should be Nakamba with Jack left and SJM right barring injury of course!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 He doesn't look happy on the pitch anymore. Even if we stay up he'll be gone unless we throw ridiculous money at him and promise to upgrade the squad with a few £30m+ players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, delboy54 said: Oh and can someone with more tactical knowledge than me explain why Jack cannot play in the middle why out on the wing, it restricts him to half the pitch! Regards Del Not trying to argue. However I think alot are forgetting that we had a run with him in the middle and it wasn't working. He was stifled, and most were calling for him to go wide of a front 3 etc. We did that, brought in Connor, and looked lethal for a couple games. Then as we now know, it's tripe again. So people "outraged" at him being out there is baffling as this was a popular call. Although i'll agree since it hasn;t been working it needs to be tweaked again. However on the overall it suggests the problem is much deeper than simply Jacks position. The whole team have been shite. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Claret and Blue (the Birmingham live Villa podcast) have an interesting piece on Jack as a kid, worth a listen. Goes into his time at Notts County as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 hours ago, zab6359 said: If you have a manager who insists on playing attacking 4-3-3 football you have to play with two attacking midfielders! It's a game of score more than you concede, but i agree DL is not that DM that should be Nakamba with Jack left and SJM right barring injury of course!! What are you on mate. Why would you need to play 2 attacking midfielders. The idea is you play a DM a box to box midfielder and an attacking midfielder to compensate for all the weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, MotoMkali said: What are you on mate. Why would you need to play 2 attacking midfielders. The idea is you play a DM a box to box midfielder and an attacking midfielder to compensate for all the weaknesses. You don't seem to understand the 4-3-3 system, a box to box player is an attack minded player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 If Jack gets injured in the next few games then it’s all over unless several rabbits come out of the hat in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 16 hours ago, delboy54 said: I thought we did ok against the scousers in the 1 - 2 defeat without Jack. Now I might get lynched for saying this but I think all the players look at Jack and expect him to do all the work. I wonder if Jack doesn't play then this means the others have to step up like they did against the scousers? I am not saying get rid of Jack but we do seem to be a one man team when he plays..... stop Jack, you stop Villa We didn't need creativity in that match though. If we scored first against Southampton I think it would've been a different story. But we were horrible giving them gifts. We can't press we can't do nothing. Anyway we've seen how it is without Jack last season, even this season at Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 10 hours ago, Genie said: If Jack gets injured in the next few games then it’s all over unless several rabbits come out of the hat in January. That's the worry for me too as in the past couple of seasons he has missed big chunks through injury. We really need this to be a season when he plays in all the remaining (league) games if possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 17 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Not trying to argue. However I think alot are forgetting that we had a run with him in the middle and it wasn't working. He was stifled, and most were calling for him to go wide of a front 3 etc. We did that, brought in Connor, and looked lethal for a couple games. Then as we now know, it's tripe again. So people "outraged" at him being out there is baffling as this was a popular call. Although i'll agree since it hasn;t been working it needs to be tweaked again. However on the overall it suggests the problem is much deeper than simply Jacks position. The whole team have been shite. Jack is quality on the left. The problem the way I see it is that he doesn't get space enough cause we got nobody else to rely on. They just triple up on Jack, ignore Wesley and we struggle. Funnily enough I just checked the stats from the Southampton game and we had more possession, more attempts on target, more attempts off target, more corners. I would not have guessed that. To solve or rectify Grealish being stuck with the sole creative responsibility, we need a winger, striker and CM that just are better than what we currently got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Jack is quality on the left. The problem the way I see it is that he doesn't get space enough cause we got nobody else to rely on. They just triple up on Jack, ignore Wesley and we struggle. Funnily enough I just checked the stats from the Southampton game and we had more possession, more attempts on target, more attempts off target, more corners. I would not have guessed that. To solve or rectify Grealish being stuck with the sole creative responsibility, we need a winger, striker and CM that just are better than what we currently got. I genuinely think the board will want to "pull rabbits out a hat" as a poster said above. Otherwise it will be dissappointing and almost like throwing in the towel. No way will they want us to go straight back down. Hopefully the extremely poor form and low quality of alot of the play will have been an eye opener for them. This should have been the thinking even prior to injuries I think. I agree with you that Jack needs more support around him as well. It's a shame, just as we saw towards the end of the last match he tried to pull something out of nothing on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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