nick76 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: But that's because pep is the best manager in the world I don’t disagree but I would love to see how he’d do, not at one of the best clubs like he’s had at all his clubs with money but at a midtable team with not the elite resources he’s always had at his disposal. It would be good to see how he copes with adverse issues and players not able to everything he needs them to do. He may thrive as he does but it’s a slightly different skill set. That would have him up there with the real greats throughout history if he could do that. Edited January 14, 2022 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, nick76 said: I don’t disagree but I would love to see how he’d do, not at one of the best clubs like he’s had at all his clubs with money but at a midtable team with not the elite resources he’s always had at his disposal. It would be good to see how he copes with adverse issues and players not able to everything he needs them to do. Yeah, but that can't happen, exactly because he is the best. That's like saying "I wonder if Di Caprio is really that good, I never saw him in a Belarusian romantic comedy" or "Lewis Hamilton really isn't that prolific behind the wheel of a Kia" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Yeah, but that can't happen, exactly because he is the best. That's like saying "I wonder if Di Caprio is really that good, I never saw him in a Belarusian romantic comedy" or "Lewis Hamilton really isn't that prolific behind the wheel of a Kia" I know, I know. That’s why I struggle to put him with the greats in my mind. I know that’s wrong by me but we can see Caprio before he was really famous and Hamilton pre Formula One level, whereas Pep essentially did one season with Barca B team, then the rest of the time being at the best team in each of the leagues. He’s the best manager in the league along with Klopp for me. He’s brilliant with elite players and can do what most can’t with overpaid, young, highly talented squads. So many managers fail for whatever reason to do that when in those roles but he does. Just to put him with the greatest managers ever, not ever seeing him when you don’t have all that and the issues that come with it, is difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vive_La_Villa Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) I love watching Man City play. I hate how good they are but the football is class. Jack looks shit because his off the ball movement is shocking. It can’t be an instruction because every other wide player in the team spins the defender and makes those runs for the diagonal over the top. Jack just doesn’t know how to do it as he’s never had to before. He’s used to just coming to the ball. Edited January 14, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 8 hours ago, ThunderPower_14 said: It is interesting because despite Chelsea having gone through the same period of becoming mega rich and buying titles, they never felt soulless like this. I think at this point it's Pep's influence. His style of rotating footballing robots who are individually meaningless makes them boring. Chelsea had some incredible teams but in those teams they had big characters like Drogba, Lampard and Terry. @HanoiVillan made a great point that Aguero and Silva were a bit different because they dragged them to their first title before they had established themselves as the big dogs in the league. I’ve always thought a big difference is that Chelsea developed and retained a much better sense of identity than city. That started with terry and lampard being the soul of the team and arguably bolstered by mainstay big individual personalities who came to define the club and its culture- Cech and drogba and others. Arguably mourinho as well. They still retained a sense (albeit less so now) that it wasn’t all just money or even trophies but also Chelsea itself as a club that they were fighting for I just don’t see the same sense of identity with city- they’re basically a bunch of mercenaries as far as I can see 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Mic09 said: Yeah, but that can't happen, exactly because he is the best. That's like saying "I wonder if Di Caprio is really that good, I never saw him in a Belarusian romantic comedy" or "Lewis Hamilton really isn't that prolific behind the wheel of a Kia" Another way of making the OP’s same point though is can he do it without a ton of cash to spend. Guardiola did it this way with Barca but benefitted from a set of unbelievably gifted academy players including the best player in the world so was pretty lucky. if I were a PL chairman and my money was at risk I’d prefer Klopp to guardiola because he can achieve the same success on a more reasonable budget. Guardiola has spent a simply astonishing amount of money even by city’s standards and we should never forget that- in every position he’s got two c£50m players at his disposal. How much did salah and mane cost Liverpool? Less than 50m between them? What about Robertson? £8m? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted January 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 15, 2022 11 hours ago, JPJCB said: Another way of making the OP’s same point though is can he do it without a ton of cash to spend. Guardiola did it this way with Barca but benefitted from a set of unbelievably gifted academy players including the best player in the world so was pretty lucky. if I were a PL chairman and my money was at risk I’d prefer Klopp to guardiola because he can achieve the same success on a more reasonable budget. Guardiola has spent a simply astonishing amount of money even by city’s standards and we should never forget that- in every position he’s got two c£50m players at his disposal. How much did salah and mane cost Liverpool? Less than 50m between them? What about Robertson? £8m? He has the money at Man City though. If you have it, you are not going to deliberately not spend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 20 hours ago, LondonLax said: Essentially that's true. His Barcelona team were also monotonously boring and won everything comfortably. Though I'm sure there's a pretty big element sour grapes from the rest of us in it. I reckon we'd all be pretty happy if we were Barcelona fans watching our team under him a few years ago or City fans today. It's easier for us to leave our allegiances behind and acknowledge the success when it's an underdog story like Leicester than it is to get past the feeling of inevitability his teams produce. His Barcelona team were monotonously boring? You might need to find another sport to follow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: His Barcelona team were monotonously boring? You might need to find another sport to follow! I guess everything's a matter of opinion. I hated tiki-taka with the thousand short passes back and forth and was pretty happy when that trend went out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, HKP90 said: He has the money at Man City though. If you have it, you are not going to deliberately not spend it. True- I’m not saying guardiola can’t do it without superstars who’d cost a ton of cash. I’m saying that he’s unproven in that respect whereas alternatives such as Klopp are 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) I think the way citeh play is impressive when it leads to a great goal or almost one. It is the most profitable way to play but you need very advanced players that have the concentration and control, let alone all-round technical ability to be able to pull it off week in week out. When they smash a team 5-0 it probably is a good watch for the neutral fan, as for me, I cannot stand them, who they are and how they operate behind the scenes. I like some of their passages of play and a few of their players, the rest of it couldn't go back to the mediocrity they ce from quick enough. Edited January 15, 2022 by Phil Silvers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamburglar Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I guess everything's a matter of opinion. I hated tiki-taka with the thousand short passes back and forth and was pretty happy when that trend went out The highlights were good to watch, who doesn’t love watching twenty five passes and Messi with a great finish. Watching them for 90 minutes did get tedious as they were robotic. Centre halves passing it ten yards to each other over and again and all that... not for me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: I like some of their passages of play and a few of their players, the rest of it couldn't go back to the mediocrity they ce from quick enough. That's the weird thing for me with city, I've got some much apathy for what they are and football in general that I don't really like any of their players, even the great ones like silva, toure, aguero, KDB etc I don't even appreciate them let alone like them, they're nothing players to me Compare that to the heydays of wengers arsenal and then barca in the 00s and I loved those players and could watch them all day 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Grealish, ouch. Predict Chelsea to win then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: His Barcelona team were monotonously boring? You might need to find another sport to follow! They weren't boring but they had so much attacking weapons including that little Argentinian guy. He tried similar at Bayern and City and its boring to watch and not effective in Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Grealish, ouch. Predict Chelsea to win then. If he's the false 9 it won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Rudiger eating him for breakfast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 He just doesn't look the same player 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, DCJonah said: He just doesn't look the same player Just looks like he’s been told to not do the stuff he’s actually excels at. Just don’t understand why they brought him if they are going to restrict him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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