markc Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mazrim said: He's a massive waste of spunk 14 minutes ago, sidcow said: I can honestly say this has never been an issue with him I have worried about. Maybe this will change your mind 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54471793 MOTM on BBC. England v Wales - Jack Grealish tops your player ratings He set up the opening goal before putting on a dominant midfield display - and Aston Villa's Jack Grealish was your man of the match as England beat Wales 3-0. Grealish scored 8.10 in the player rater, followed by debutant and goalscorer Dominic Calvert-Lewin and fellow scorer Conor Coady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Mazrim said: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 He wasn't even good for him tonight. That formation was a rotter, Grealish hid another bad England performance. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: To be fair to Southgate Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Tomaszk said: He wasn't even good for him tonight. That formation was a rotter, Grealish hid another bad England performance. He could only play with the cards he was dealt... And I swear to God that Southgate told the rest of the players to keep it away from him if they could find another option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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birdman Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, A'Villan said: Doesn't surprise me. I've read quotes from a pundit and associate of both that he thinks that there's a 'personal' theme to Grealish and Southgate's relationship. Southgate needs to be professional and the leader he's paid to be and find common ground with Grealish and turn the focus to football instead of holding on to any ill feelings. Can only think it was something Jack did when playing U21 under Southgate? Whatever it was has caused a rather large chip on Gary's shoulder! He doesnt talk about him in the warm manner he does other players. A debut like that and most managers would be slightly more encouraging. May well be reading into it too much and should just be glad he was picked tonight I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, DaveAV1 said: Why? Are you playing funny buggers with me? In case you would actually like to know, I don't seek to create issues for others or talk down about people as a pastime. If I were to be unfair with him, then wouldn't I be perpetuating the sort of behaviour that has made people take issue with Southgate's treatment of our Jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, birdman said: Can only think it was something Jack did when playing U21 under Southgate? Whatever it was has caused a rather large chip on Gary's shoulder! He doesnt talk about him in the warm manner he does other players. A debut like that and most managers would be slightly more encouraging. May well be reading into it too much and should just be glad he was picked tonight I suppose. I distinctly remember someone making a comment on this forum about Southgate probably being bitter and twisted from his playing days of him being the model professional and a bloody good player in his own right, but the flash lads getting all the limelight and adoration and him thinking "When I manage England, there will be none of this" Someone did say something like that didnt they? or was I dreaming it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, birdman said: Can only think it was something Jack did when playing U21 under Southgate? Whatever it was has caused a rather large chip on Gary's shoulder! He doesnt talk about him in the warm manner he does other players. A debut like that and most managers would be slightly more encouraging. May well be reading into it too much and should just be glad he was picked tonight I suppose. No, Grealish fully deserves inclusion in the squad. The only disruption to the ethos and chemistry of the team would be from Southgate's end from what I can gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, A'Villan said: Are you playing funny buggers with me? In case you would actually like to know, I don't seek to create issues for others or talk down about people as a pastime. If I were to be unfair with him, then wouldn't I be perpetuating the sort of behaviour that has made people take issue with Southgate's treatment of our Jack? You are right about being fair to him, but you aren't being fair. You were being overly generous. As another poster pointed out, their Mrs saw the attitude of Gareth change when he was asked about Jack. I was curious, and asked my Mrs to watch the interview and ask her if anything stood out... she immediately said (having not seen the game) "did Jack not do very well?". He is, either by design or accident, trying to play down Jack Grealish in every way he can. Maybe he's bizarrely trying to protect him from the limelight until he unleashes him full force at the next tournament... Maybe he takes exception to the fact Jack went out drinking and inhaling nitrous oxide as a teenager in the England setup. Who knows why, but he definitely has an aversion to recognising Jack's ability and performances. Edited October 8, 2020 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Quote "We needed Churchill but we got Iain Duncan-Smith," was Southgate's verdict on Sven. Which is he? tells you all about swashbuckling Gareth and his footballing philosophy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I think the truth is England have the best attack probably in my lifetime better than the "Golden Generation" and Jack definitely should be a starter. Jack, Sterling, Kane and another maybe Maddison, Rashford even Mount or Sancho depending on the opposition Except a dodgy defence which can be worked on but England also have a crap manager and it will hold them back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Well they all said he needed to change club to be an International. I think he should change to Germany or Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Calvert Lewin is on a good run of form and I thought Ings was lively but Jack was easily the best player on the pitch and he was on cruise control. I think its even harder for him because he knows that Southgate doesn't rate him so any poor performance he would have been subbed at half time and possibly out of the squad again. Now there is no way he can be dropped for the next call up unless he is injured without Southgate looking like a massive tw*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, markc said: Maybe this will change your mind Look at this dickhead. The fake, forced smile. There is no love in his heart. He's a **** succubus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, birdman said: Can only think it was something Jack did when playing U21 under Southgate? Whatever it was has caused a rather large chip on Gary's shoulder! He doesnt talk about him in the warm manner he does other players. A debut like that and most managers would be slightly more encouraging. May well be reading into it too much and should just be glad he was picked tonight I suppose. I don’t think it’s necessarily down to a certain issue. Sometimes people just don’t like other people. I’m told he just thinks he’s a bit of a dick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MNVillan Posted October 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2020 Happy for Jack. That jacket is ghastly. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 hours ago, MrBlack said: You are right about being fair to him, but you aren't being fair. You were being overly generous. As another poster pointed out, their Mrs saw the attitude of Gareth change when he was asked about Jack. I was curious, and asked my Mrs to watch the interview and ask her if anything stood out... she immediately said (having not seen the game) "did Jack not do very well?". He is, either by design or accident, trying to play down Jack Grealish in every way he can. Maybe he's bizarrely trying to protect him from the limelight until he unleashes him full force at the next tournament... Maybe he takes exception to the fact Jack went out drinking and inhaling nitrous oxide as a teenager in the England setup. Who knows why, but he definitely has an aversion to recognising Jack's ability and performances. I don't particularly want to argue but I'll engage the discussion further. I'm confident in my discernment of the situation regarding Southgate to the point where I'm happy to post on the forum that I think he's not snubbed Grealish in any way. I'm flattered that you call my words overly generous but from where I sit it's just a fair call, I owe Southgate no special treatment, should he of been out of place, I'd say. That's why I said to be fair to Southgate, because in my view, people on this forum are for whatever reason insinuating that Southgate didn't acknowledge Jack. You could even go as far as to say that people are convinced that Southgate has it in for Jack. And that may well be the case, I'm not here to dispute that. My point, to be fair to Southgate, is that during that interview, Southgate acknowledges the newcomers for their performance given new settings and unfamiliarity. He then goes on to say that we know Grealish is a player who can attract fouls in advanced areas, and that he's good in tight spaces receiving and with it at his feet. Excuse the paraphrasing job but I think it's at least the gist of Southgate's comments on Jack. The only thing I'll say, is that he might've become a tiny little slither more awkward than he had been when asked about Jack. And I would take that to mean that he's been caught with his pants down and doesn't want to pull them up just yet, because everyone can see why Jack should be in. Southgate if he does or has had some issue with our Jacky boy may well be less inclined to select him, opting for any one of a number of talented options instead. Just because Southgate wasn't willing to concede and say, yes, "Grealish has not only been knocking on the door, but running straight through the wall to get here." Doesn't mean that his commentary in that post match interview were any way shape or form not giving Jack recognition for the match he had. That's hopefully all I have to say on the matter but knowing me you'll get another essay so be warned! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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