S-Platt Posted June 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: The way you lot carry on, you would think it was Macedonia, and not England, a team with an embarrassment of attacking riches, and top, TOP players all throughout the squad. Just because the manager doesn't make the selection YOU like, doesn't mean he doesn't rate a player, or that there is a conspiracy, or I might even go as saying it doesn't make him a clown either. Different managers have different tactics ( whether fans like it or not ) and it's about the players, the manager feels most suits their tactics vs. opposition etc, whether rightly or wrongly so. What if they feel Jack would be great to bring on against tired legs? It's a national team, not Aston Villa ffs. I wonder if fans of other clubs ( Dortmund - Sancho? Man City - Foden ? ) etc have tantrums if their player doesn't start, or play as they want. Just because Jack is an outstanding player, doesn't necessarily mean he is the RIGHT player for every system, and team ( This should also be taken into consideration when he is touted for transfers ). There have been times for US, when he has been nullified, similarly to how other top players have been, we need to stop acting like Jack is prime Lionel Messi IMO. If this was Dean Smith, some of you would be blowing your top about the " Disrespect to the manager " etc. I hope you realise, you are no different from the fans you bash, when it comes to this. FYI: doesn't mean I don't think he should start, I personally said I would like to see him and Foden, but still, pretending as if all the other players who may, or not start ahead of him are " shite " is farcical. they are all top, TOP players themselves. We do have some top class players but Southgate said he would pick players on form and not put square pegs in round holes. So if the rumour is true out of form Sterling starts over Jack and RB Trippier plays at LB despite Chilwell and Shaw being fit and in form then he deserves all the flack coming his way. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, Jas10 said: He has Mount to do that for him… No, he gets Mount to shake it for him when he’s finished pissing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I wonder if everyone slating Southgate before the match is going to eat their words if we have a comfortable England win and Sterling plays really well. Yes we all want Jack to start. It’s game one of a tournament, we will see him, can’t we just enjoy it?! Im far more worried for Mings as everyone outside of Villa is desperate for him to fail. There is no way he can fail to know this either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 For me it’s almost the equivalent of Portugal not playing Ronaldo. You should be playing your best players. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 No start for Jack, the manager bottled it. Strategy is try not to concede, but if we do he will bring on Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: No start for Jack, the manager bottled it. Strategy is try not to concede, but if we do he will bring on Jack. Don't think the FA expect much. Probably keeps his job if he reaches the quarters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: The way you lot carry on, you would think it was Macedonia, and not England, a team with an embarrassment of attacking riches, and top, TOP players all throughout the squad. Just because the manager doesn't make the selection YOU like, doesn't mean he doesn't rate a player, or that there is a conspiracy, or I might even go as saying it doesn't make him a clown either. Different managers have different tactics ( whether fans like it or not ) and it's about the players, the manager feels most suits their tactics vs. opposition etc, whether rightly or wrongly so. What if they feel Jack would be great to bring on against tired legs? It's a national team, not Aston Villa ffs. I wonder if fans of other clubs ( Dortmund - Sancho? Man City - Foden ? ) etc have tantrums if their player doesn't start, or play as they want. Just because Jack is an outstanding player, doesn't necessarily mean he is the RIGHT player for every system, and team ( This should also be taken into consideration when he is touted for transfers ). There have been times for US, when he has been nullified, similarly to how other top players have been, we need to stop acting like Jack is prime Lionel Messi IMO. If this was Dean Smith, some of you would be blowing your top about the " Disrespect to the manager " etc. I hope you realise, you are no different from the fans you bash, when it comes to this. FYI: doesn't mean I don't think he should start, I personally said I would like to see him and Foden, but still, pretending as if all the other players who may, or not start ahead of him are " shite " is farcical. they are all top, TOP players themselves. I agree with most of this mate but Sterling is a bit shit and out of form 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 England are lucky to have 3 champions league finalists to play in the full back position. Wait hang on a minute…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: The way you lot carry on, you would think it was Macedonia, and not England, a team with an embarrassment of attacking riches, and top, TOP players all throughout the squad. Just because the manager doesn't make the selection YOU like, doesn't mean he doesn't rate a player, or that there is a conspiracy, or I might even go as saying it doesn't make him a clown either. Different managers have different tactics ( whether fans like it or not ) and it's about the players, the manager feels most suits their tactics vs. opposition etc, whether rightly or wrongly so. What if they feel Jack would be great to bring on against tired legs? It's a national team, not Aston Villa ffs. I wonder if fans of other clubs ( Dortmund - Sancho? Man City - Foden ? ) etc have tantrums if their player doesn't start, or play as they want. Just because Jack is an outstanding player, doesn't necessarily mean he is the RIGHT player for every system, and team ( This should also be taken into consideration when he is touted for transfers ). There have been times for US, when he has been nullified, similarly to how other top players have been, we need to stop acting like Jack is prime Lionel Messi IMO. If this was Dean Smith, some of you would be blowing your top about the " Disrespect to the manager " etc. I hope you realise, you are no different from the fans you bash, when it comes to this. FYI: doesn't mean I don't think he should start, I personally said I would like to see him and Foden, but still, pretending as if all the other players who may, or not start ahead of him are " shite " is farcical. they are all top, TOP players themselves. I think as well for some of us older Villans it is recurring theme, our quality players being left out at the expense of others, little only got one, Mortimer never got one, Morley only a handful. Shaw never got one and please do not mention Sid Cowans, I could make loads more. Even when we get a generational talent like Jack he can’t even start Edited June 13, 2021 by Follyfoot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Don't think the FA expect much. Probably keeps his job if he reaches the quarters That about some's it up pal. Are you English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Follyfoot said: I agree with most of this mate but Sterling is a bit shit and out of form I just want people to realise that they are leading with " emotion " and not pragmatism. Alot of these are the same people who lose it if tactics, and/or subs are questioned within our own squad and matchdays. I just think we need to take a step back and look at the gross hypocrisy here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I just want people to realise that they are leading with " emotion " and not pragmatism. Alot of these are the same people who lose it if tactics, and/or subs are questioned within our own squad and matchdays. I just think we need to take a step back and look at the gross hypocrisy here. As always a balanced and informed observation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted June 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Can anybody actually prove to me that Sterling is actually fast? I'm pretty sure he isn't any faster than Jack, he just runs around a lot in an unproductive fashion and then trips over the ball. Edited June 13, 2021 by Lichfield Dean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I just want people to realise that they are leading with " emotion " and not pragmatism. Alot of these are the same people who lose it if tactics, and/or subs are questioned within our own squad and matchdays. I just think we need to take a step back and look at the gross hypocrisy here. It doesn't matter what lineup is picked, people will have their own favorites and opinions and we all express ourselves differently. This will probably go on till kick off when we will then all be 100% behind the team. If its not going well though JV, I recommend logging off for an hour or two Up the ENGLAND 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 A right back when we have two quality left backs, no Grealish, playing an out of form Sterling and also two anchor midfielders......jeez Southgate is doing his best not to do well and bore us at the same time C'mon England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 13, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lichfield Dean said: Can anybody actually prove to me that Sterling is actually fast? I'm pretty sure he isn't any faster than Jack, he just runs around a lot in an unproductive fashion and then trips over the ball. Sterling reminds me of Charles Charlie Charles one half of the famous Charles Brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: It doesn't matter what lineup is picked, people will have their own favorites and opinions and we all express ourselves differently. This will probably go on till kick off when we will then all be 100% behind the team. If its not going well though JV, I recommend logging off for an hour or two Up the ENGLAND My only solace is that i'm not English, so while i'm rooting for you, it doesn't do my emotions in as much as it would you lot I imagine. I want too see Jack play as much as the next Villa fan, but i'd also selfishly rather him not get injured or be in the shop window too much either. I care more about him being here, and being fit for US, selfishly? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I don't agree that we're just biased Villa fans in relation to Jack. Go and search for "Grealish" on Twitter and look at fans of a variety of clubs saying this is the wrong call and that Southgate should be building the side around him. His stats speak for themselves in terms of his ability to create chances, to draw fouls. He should be playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Nearly everybody thinks Grealish should strat not just Villa fans. Dont understand Trippier at LB when you have Chilwell and Shaw. Southgate has his favourites, two of which are Sterling and Trippier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Stage set for grealish to be the saviour, not just for England but for Southgate job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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