Mic09 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, Chindie said: It exists as a concept, but what it is depends on the viewpoint of who you're asking. There's not an absolute, unquestionable, 100% definite definition of what Europe is. You can't point at Europe and say 'that, unquestionably, to everyone in perpetuity, is Europe, and everything that falls outside of this definition is not Europe'. It's not like trying to define what a pen is. Geographically it has multiple definitions, politically it exists in various extents and forms, in sports its various things depending on the context and the organisations involved, in TV production and organisations it's something else, etc etc. It only exists objectively as a concept. Thus you can have situations like this where clubs that nobody really thinks are European are actually considered European. This is probably for another thread, but you are so wrong it's actually annoying EVERYTHING is based on our assumptions regarding scale and definitions. Europe exists - some say it ends in the Urals, some say Istanbul is the border. Some idiots think Australia is in Europe because it takes part in the European song contest. Just because you have different definitions of something, it doesn't take away that Europe exists - you might argue about it's nature, but it exists. If you want to be a smart ass about it, let's take your pen example. You might get a scientist who will say it's actually not a pen, it's a cylindrical composite of artificial chemicals. You might get someone from the amazon jungle who never saw one and uses it as decoration. You might get a theoretical physicist who says it's mostly empty space between atoms that we are looking at here. Everything is up for discussion - but if you are happy to agree 'a pen is a pen' (with certain caveats) then I am happy to say Europe is roughly between Portugal from the West to Turkey to the East (with certain caveats). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mic09 said: This is probably for another thread, but you are so wrong it's actually annoying EVERYTHING is based on our assumptions regarding scale and definitions. Europe exists - some say it ends in the Urals, some say Istanbul is the border. Some idiots think Australia is in Europe because it takes part in the European song contest. Just because you have different definitions of something, it doesn't take away that Europe exists - you might argue about it's nature, but it exists. If you want to be a smart ass about it, let's take your pen example. You might get a scientist who will say it's actually not a pen, it's a cylindrical composite of artificial chemicals. You might get someone from the amazon jungle who never saw one and uses it as decoration. You might get a theoretical physicist who says it's mostly empty space between atoms that we are looking at here. Everything is up for discussion - but if you are happy to agree 'a pen is a pen' (with certain caveats) then I am happy to say Europe is roughly between Portugal from the West to Turkey to the East (with certain caveats). I'm so glad we agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villatillidie95 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Any Israeli teams in the competition? That’s one part of Europe I’ve always wanted to visit. Maccabi tel aviv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: Bodo/Glimt could be a tough draw for pot 3, got to the quarters a few years back. Yeah but then Zaniolo scored a hat-trick against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lexicon Posted August 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Any Israeli teams in the competition? That’s one part of Europe I’ve always wanted to visit. Umm.... 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Any Israeli teams in the competition? That’s one part of Europe I’ve always wanted to visit. You can also get cheap day excursions to Gaza - heard its pretty lively there. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: You can also get cheap day excursions to Gaza - heard its pretty lively there. Is that in Europe too ? On a serious note I read that Isreal play in European competitions as Arab nations refuse to compete with them. Anyway back on topic. The group stages should be pretty easy to get through. Edited August 30, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I don’t fear anyone in that list of teams. Bring on whoever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I’m guessing tickets for away games will be impossible if you aren’t a season ticket holder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 30, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) Still a slim chance we end up in Pot 1 (if we qualify ourselves!) Need 4 of these 8 (plus a few other very unlikely excluded possibilities) results to come in: Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg Levski Sofia Match 1 Eintracht Frankfurt 1–1 31 Aug Sofia win away from a level tie Gent Match 2[A] APOEL 2–0 31 Aug APOEL win at home overturning a 2 goal deficit Osasuna Match 16 Club Brugge 1–2 31 Aug Osasuna win away overturning a 1 goal deficit AZ Match 12 Brann 1–1 31 Aug Brann win at home from a level tie Lille Match 8 Rijeka 2–1 31 Aug Rijeka win at home overturning a 1 goal deficit Midtjylland Match 7 Legia Warsaw 3–3 31 Aug Legia win at home from a level tie Heart of Midlothian Match 14 PAOK 1–2 31 Aug Hearts win away overturning a 1 goal deficit Tobol Match 5 Viktoria Plzeň 1–2 31 Aug Tobol win away overturning a 1 goal deficit Edited August 30, 2023 by fightoffyour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, alreadyexists said: Yeah but it’s only a 69 hour drive. Straight through Belarus currently harbouring Russian troops, what could possibly go wrong! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, Steero113 said: Straight through Belarus currently harbouring Russian troops, what could possibly go wrong! Well, Russia also harbours Russian troops. That could be an issue. On this journey through Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 The opposite of the group of death please. The easiest possible group will do nicely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Any Israeli teams in the competition? That’s one part of Europe I’ve always wanted to visit. It's safe for away fans, they're great at segregation 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 9 hours ago, Mic09 said: Well, Russia also harbours Russian troops. That could be an issue. On this journey through Russia. That’s the joke my man. it’s been a long day though, delivery was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Would probably only go to Lille, Frankfurt or Brugge in a group stage match. Can’t see myself wanting to go to Ukraine or Belarus right now… Would love Brugge. Easy to get to, a lovely place and good beer. I think we’d take 10,000 if we are allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 10 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I’m guessing tickets for away games will be impossible if you aren’t a season ticket holder ? I'm guessing tickets for away games will be impossible even if you are a season ticket holder! Away ticketing is practically a closed shop and has been for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 31, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Would love Brugge. Easy to get to, a lovely place and good beer. I think we’d take 10,000 if we are allowed. In **** Brugge? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 KI Klaksvik would be ace. Villa on tour in the Faroes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted August 31, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2023 21 hours ago, fightoffyour said: Still a slim chance we end up in Pot 1 (if we qualify ourselves!) Need 4 of these 8 (plus a few other very unlikely excluded possibilities) results to come in: Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg Levski Sofia Match 1 Eintracht Frankfurt 1–1 31 Aug Sofia win away from a level tie Gent Match 2[A] APOEL 2–0 31 Aug APOEL win at home overturning a 2 goal deficit Osasuna Match 16 Club Brugge 1–2 31 Aug Osasuna win away overturning a 1 goal deficit AZ Match 12 Brann 1–1 31 Aug Brann win at home from a level tie Lille Match 8 Rijeka 2–1 31 Aug Rijeka win at home overturning a 1 goal deficit Midtjylland Match 7 Legia Warsaw 3–3 31 Aug Legia win at home from a level tie Heart of Midlothian Match 14 PAOK 1–2 31 Aug Hearts win away overturning a 1 goal deficit Tobol Match 5 Viktoria Plzeň 1–2 31 Aug Tobol win away overturning a 1 goal deficit Jesus Christ that's complicated. Whatever happened to baffled looking celebrities and retired footballers in ill fitting suits pulling balls out a bag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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