sidcow Posted June 11, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2023 6 hours ago, gwi1890 said: Posted on the Leicester City forum to ask what exactly went wrong with Tielemans, the response is a carbon copy of the way Villa fans described Mcginn pre Emery. Don’t think anyone has the golden bullet answer for you there - it was just this season either, it’s probably 18 months. Take a look at his error at PSV. Just hasn’t appeared fit enough to move around the pitch successfully. He wasn’t great at the World Cup and his form didn’t pick up under Smith. Just loves his roast spuds too much Hahaha. Yes, remember all the McGinn is fat nonsense. Football fans are mostly dicks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted June 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2023 I usually give Villatalk a miss during the summer months precisely because of the sort of chat we have seen a lot of in this thread - knee-jerk negativity about any signing, a rather bizarre sense of entitlement, and barrack-room scouting talk. This signing has come quite early so I haven’t shut down yet and I am suitably depressed by many of the comments I have been unfortunate to catch. One thing that may be new is the excessive and lengthy quoting of opinions from other fan sites which are presented as authoritative - does this normally happen? Leicester fans are quite understandably borderline insane with anger and hurt at their sudden ejection from the premier league and are clearly lashing out in all directions. Quite why anyone would take anything they say seriously I am not sure. For the first time in years and years we have owners, a scouting set up and a manager who appear to know what they are doing and give us real hope for the future. Looks like some Villa fans have yet to adjust to this new reality and are still in hand wringing mode. 22 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, sidcow said: Hahaha. Yes, remember all the McGinn is fat nonsense. Football fans are mostly dicks. I actually think McGinn had put on some weight and was struggling. Probably also true of Tielemans. But key point, sort of echoing @briny_ear's point is that Emery's team seem to know how to get players into shape quickly. We're still at that point where pretty much any signing we make is going to have some flaws. The job of our scouting team and management is to work out which flaws are dealbreakers, and which are things that can be dealt with here, or won't matter in the roles the player is assigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 40 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I usually give Villatalk a miss during the summer months precisely because of the sort of chat we have seen a lot of in this thread - knee-jerk negativity about any signing, a rather bizarre sense of entitlement, and barrack-room scouting talk. This signing has come quite early so I haven’t shut down yet and I am suitably depressed by many of the comments I have been unfortunate to catch. One thing that may be new is the excessive and lengthy quoting of opinions from other fan sites which are presented as authoritative - does this normally happen? Leicester fans are quite understandably borderline insane with anger and hurt at their sudden ejection from the premier league and are clearly lashing out in all directions. Quite why anyone would take anything they say seriously I am not sure. For the first time in years and years we have owners, a scouting set up and a manager who appear to know what they are doing and give us real hope for the future. Looks like some Villa fans have yet to adjust to this new reality and are still in hand wringing mode. This forum is made up of (mostly) Villa fans and there is mass disagreement between us all every day, yet folk will post up random comments from fans of other teams as if the same logic doesn't apply and they all have the same shared opinions. Never got it myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted June 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Indigo said: This forum is made up of (mostly) Villa fans and there is mass disagreement between us all every day, yet folk will post up random comments from fans of other teams as if the same logic doesn't apply and they all have the same shared opinions. Never got it myself. It's what some people do to back up their opinion nothing new on the Internet. Quote some random as authority on any subject. I prefer to look with my own eyes so can't say I remember much other than some screamers so am happy enough to see that in a Villa shirt. Reading other fans opinions is fun though so happy enough to see the comments from both sides 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyblue Posted June 12, 2023 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 14 hours ago, tomsky_11 said: Poor in what sense? I've not watched any of him expect when against Villa so hard to judge for me on anything other than the data and how it compares to our current midfield. We are being told by Leicester fans who have watched him he's been poor recently. To me from the numbers it looks more like a deeper role leading to less attacking impact. But even still he's still hitting pretty decent numbers in terms of ball progression and chance creation, and looks reasonable defensively too. Sure, the numbers say he's never hit the heights of that first six months with you. But then the numbers he put up then were exceptional. He's dropped off to a level that is still pretty good from what I can see. I'd guess we are likely to see him predominantly in the McGinn role under Emery, which for the most part has been the advanced right side of a box midfield 4. So more license to drift into the attacking 3rd and penalty box (mostly in the inside right channel)and attempt to create chances or take chances with low risk of being caught out with Kamara and Luiz deeper in the midfield. He could also end up in the deeper Luiz role, though he's unlikely to be ahead of Luiz so that would probably mean Luiz taking the more advanced position, or it being cover in case Luiz was ever out. Poor as in loads of mistakes, slow to get back, slow to get forward, or frankly just anonymous a lot of the time. Numbers can mask a performance can't they, does popping up with something good in the 80th minute when already 4-0 down and stat padding, does that make it a good performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyblue Posted June 12, 2023 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 20 hours ago, Brumstopdogs said: Seems like after Maddison he was one of their best players last season (going by FotMob and whoscored.com rather than a lot of Leicester fans). The common theme is that although he is talented his fitness has been a big problem for him. We've seen the miracles Emery has worked with our current squad and even McGinn looks a 90 minute player now where as under previous managers he often looked knacked after an hour. If anyone can get the best out of Tielemans then it will be Unai. Also, given the quality we have in midfield already Tielemans will have to be playing well to get in the team. UTV! With respect, that's really not saying much considering everyone outside perhaps Maddison was total and utter dog sh***. Plus, whoscored is frankly nonsense and massively padded out towards attackers. The amount of times I've seen someone fluke an assist or goal off their arse after a terrible performance and get MOTM is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyblue Posted June 12, 2023 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 10 hours ago, briny_ear said: I usually give Villatalk a miss during the summer months precisely because of the sort of chat we have seen a lot of in this thread - knee-jerk negativity about any signing, a rather bizarre sense of entitlement, and barrack-room scouting talk. This signing has come quite early so I haven’t shut down yet and I am suitably depressed by many of the comments I have been unfortunate to catch. One thing that may be new is the excessive and lengthy quoting of opinions from other fan sites which are presented as authoritative - does this normally happen? Leicester fans are quite understandably borderline insane with anger and hurt at their sudden ejection from the premier league and are clearly lashing out in all directions. Quite why anyone would take anything they say seriously I am not sure. For the first time in years and years we have owners, a scouting set up and a manager who appear to know what they are doing and give us real hope for the future. Looks like some Villa fans have yet to adjust to this new reality and are still in hand wringing mode. With respect, that's really not the case in terms of discussing his performances. I've tried to remain completely level headed here about when he's been good, when he's been bad and I hope my posts reflect that. He genuinely hasn't been very good, sure you'll have the odd flash here or there. But it's really mirrored his performances for Belgium where he's been criticised quote a bit also, also at Monaco. That's not to say he won't be good, he's 100% got it within him. He had an amazing 18 months over a couple of spells where he was genuinely brilliant. Plus... it's a free transfer, yeah he'll get a nice pay packet and bonus. But it's still a good deal, even if he ends up being a squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted June 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, babyblue said: With respect, that's really not saying much considering everyone outside perhaps Maddison was total and utter dog sh***. Plus, whoscored is frankly nonsense and massively padded out towards attackers. The amount of times I've seen someone fluke an assist or goal off their arse after a terrible performance and get MOTM is laughable. Yeah but if Maddison could take a penalty like Tielemans you would still be in The Prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 I don't see Tielemans as a replacement for anyone in particular but as Villa can look a bit light-weight in the centre of the park, I see him as a possible solution, against more "robust" teams. With his 4 goals and 2 assists for Leicester last term, his stats are not quite as good as Buendia's 5 and 3. Villa's extra games are going to increase the attrition on the likes of McGinn and Kamara. So regarding Villa's needs, he's an essential signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 So Tielemans can take pens? Worthwhile signing already then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 41 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I don't see Tielemans as a replacement for anyone in particular but as Villa can look a bit light-weight in the centre of the park, I see him as a possible solution, against more "robust" teams. Horses for courses. Teams are starting to show us more respect and just "sit in" at Villa park in particular. We struggled a bit against Bournemouth and Fulham at home towards the end of the season to break them down. He will be an idea player at those type of "front foot" games. When digging in away from home at Liverpool, Chelsea etc then i doubt we will see him play, unless of course he proves himself and shows himself to be the player of a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, babyblue said: Poor as in loads of mistakes, slow to get back, slow to get forward, or frankly just anonymous a lot of the time. Numbers can mask a performance can't they, does popping up with something good in the 80th minute when already 4-0 down and stat padding, does that make it a good performance? Sure they can. And like I say, I've not seen any of him whereas you have so genuinely interested to hear what the issues where when the numbers look ok. The thing I'm still somewhat puzzled by with the numbers though is the "popping up late" thing but mostly anonymous suggests perhaps more headline stats - goals, assists, etc. - but lesser numbers elsewhere and lower volume. But he's seen an incredible amount of the ball and that has only increased as time has gone on at Leicester, and his numbers of errors, dispossessions and miscontrols are all low. His long pass completion seems to have taken the biggest hit, but that would make some sense if playing deeper while still trying to be expansive and creative. (Have seen that video earlier in the thread of him looking a bit half-arsed with some of his long balls forward which probably also plays a part). Perhaps hard to judge the slowness from the stats, but he's making enough challenges to suggest he's not just stood around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyblue Posted June 12, 2023 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 hours ago, S-Platt said: Yeah but if Maddison could take a penalty like Tielemans you would still be in The Prem Didn't he miss his last few also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, babyblue said: With respect, that's really not saying much considering everyone outside perhaps Maddison was total and utter dog sh** With respect, if you are saying all your players (who include some very talented individuals) were terrible, that probably suggests the issue was Leicester not Tielemans. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Luckily he isn't a guaranteed starter for us. If he doesn't perform better than Luiz our POTS AND FPOTS or Karama one of Europe's hottest prospects he doesn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted June 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 I think we can all agree that if he ends up shit it's a Purslow signing? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Also why is the announcement with the "old badge"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted June 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Wainy316 said: So Tielemans can take pens? Worthwhile signing already then. Lock up your stationery cupboards, Tielemans is in town 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted June 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12, 2023 I’m still amazed when fans of other teams come on here and expect us all to agree with them… borderline delusional! I also think visiting supporters should have a posting limit; like 5 posts a day or something or it just becomes unreadable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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