Marka Ragnos Posted July 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I think you are missing two important circumstances. Firstly, he was not just "ok" - he was Benfica's Grealish. Generational talent, and incredible for his age. He cost over €100m which speaks volumes. The second thing is he moved to the most defensive team of the top European clubs, and as a young attacking player that is always going to be difficult. He then moved to the shit show that is Chelsea, and I bet you Mbappe would look like Adama Traore in that set up. I don't know. I hear you, but I don't agree. People are smitten by him. I do think what you're saying about a defensive approach being a poor context for his talent -- could be something there. I stand by "OK" by Premier League standards. His Chelsea record does mean something, doesn't it? "He cost over €100m which speaks volumes" to me speaks precisely that he cost over €100m. Surely we don't make transfer decisions based on what another club paid for a player? Players are overvalued and undervalued every day. I don't think he's worth more than about €32m --- Transfermarket says €50m. I feel like Diaby would be a much better €50m spent by Villa, but for a lower price tag, I could feel like Felix might work? Edited July 13, 2023 by Marka Ragnos millions missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Marka Ragnos said: I don't know. I hear you, but I don't agree. People are smitten by him. I do think what you're saying about a defensive approach being a poor context for his talent -- could be something there. I stand by "OK" by Premier League standards. His Chelsea record does mean something, doesn't it? "He cost over €100m which speaks volumes" to me speaks precisely that he cost over €100m. Surely we don't make transfer decisions based on what another club paid for a player? Players are overvalued and undervalued every day. I don't think he's worth more than about €32 --- Transfermarket says €50. I feel like Diaby would be a much better €50 spent by Villa. Absolutely we don't. Spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted July 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2023 Looks like we're going for it big time this summer! With an extra CL spot likely next season we should be on the mix if we can keep our good form going from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: Absolutely we don't. Spot on. I get it right about once every two years, so I'm going to screenshot this and make it my wallpaper. But even then, I forgot to put the little m's for millions in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 -------------------Martinez------------------- Cash----Carlos------Torres------Moreno ----------------Luiz-------Kamara---------- ---Diaby------------Felix----------Chiesa--- ----------------------Watkins-------------------- Bench: Olsen (or new no.2), Mings, Konsa, McGinn, Tielemans, Bailey, Archer (or a new forward) That'd be some team/squad if we could make it happen this summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GlobalVillan Posted July 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Random but good sentiment. The thing is mate, I get the "big 6" bollocks and who it's referring to. But when people start with the word "traditional", it becomes somewhat subjective. At least in terms of time. Preston won the first double. Villa were the big club of the 1890's. Sunderland were up there too. Then we can talk about the 1980's where Villa were League and European champions but Everton always get the nod as the bigger club in that decade. Forest were huge in the late 70s and again they were a solid side in the early 90s. What exactly does traditional big 6 mean? I've got no idea. But I know that Man City and Chelsea wouldn't be in it for a start. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: The thing is mate, I get the "big 6" bollocks and who it's referring to. But when people start with the word "traditional", it becomes somewhat subjective. At least in terms of time. Preston won the first double. Villa were the big club of the 1890's. Sunderland were up there too. Then we can talk about the 1980's where Villa were League and European champions but Everton always get the nod as the bigger club in that decade. Forest were huge in the late 70s and again they were a solid side in the early 90s. What exactly does traditional big 6 mean? I've got no idea. But I know that Man City and Chelsea wouldn't be in it for a start. Sick of hearing the "Sky six cliche". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Villarocker said: -------------------Martinez------------------- Cash----Carlos------Torres------Moreno ----------------Luiz-------Kamara---------- ---Diaby------------Felix----------Chiesa--- ----------------------Watkins-------------------- Bench: Olsen (or new no.2), Mings, Konsa, McGinn, Tielemans, Bailey, Archer (or a new forward) That'd be some team/squad if we could make it happen this summer. Ramsey does not make it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, Villarocker said: -------------------Martinez------------------- Cash----Carlos------Torres------Moreno ----------------Luiz-------Kamara---------- ---Diaby------------Felix----------Chiesa--- ----------------------Watkins-------------------- Bench: Olsen (or new no.2), Mings, Konsa, McGinn, Tielemans, Bailey, Archer (or a new forward) That'd be some team/squad if we could make it happen this summer. That double pivot would be overworked, properly have their hands full. Oh! You put Chiesa in the team? All for it then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villan-scott Posted July 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2023 Feels like Monchi has got to work this week! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Just now, Farlz said: Proof positive that Percy has finally lost his inside edge. Weirdly sad moment because he was the all seeing eye for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Signing Johnson and getting Digne off the books at the same time would be a genius move. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Who was the young left back we were linked in Spain earlier in window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 50 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: Ramsey does not make it? Or Mings Mcginn absolute joke. Won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, villan-scott said: Feels like Monchi has got to work this week! Maybe he’s had to wait for his work mobile to be delivered! No matter how often you call our procurement department at my work, I don’t think they’ve ever managed to get a phone for a new starter, on their first day, yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted July 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2023 The genius Alemany seeing Villa cracking on and getting reasonable bids in for clubs who aren't desperate. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: The genius Alemany seeing Villa cracking on and getting reasonable bids in for clubs who aren't desperate. Yeah f*CK him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Mic09 said: Firstly, he was not just "ok" - he was Benfica's Grealish. Generational talent, and incredible for his age. He cost over €100m which speaks volumes. True, but the history of the game is full of prodigies who peaked early and turned out not to be so special when they got older as others caught up and passed them. Or who had great talent but never maximized it because of bad attitude. He's a risk. At the right price, unless his attitude is so bad that it would poison the dressing room, it would be a risk worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeper Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, pete101 said: Who was the young left back we were linked in Spain earlier in window? Jesus Vazquez. Think hes staying at Valencia now though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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