Wainy316 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: You have my condolences on your horrible 3-0 win. Jesus. You're like Man United fans. I have wondered before if supporting England can be equated with what it’s like supporting the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool. But then I thought nah, because fans of those clubs see their teams win stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Off topic but need this sorting once and for all ( for me ) Is Holland a derogatory and offensive term ? Is the Netherlands the correct way to refer to the country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: Off topic but need this sorting once and for all ( for me ) Is Holland a derogatory and offensive term ? Is the Netherlands the correct way to refer to the country ? I always say Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Man wales were so bad at this world cup. The group wasnt really that difficult but thry badly let their fans down Bales finished clearly and shouldn't be plsying for them anymore Bring on Senegal I think getting to a tournament for the first time for over 60 years allows them a little bit of slack. Especially when all of their key players are over the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: Off topic but need this sorting once and for all ( for me ) Is Holland a derogatory and offensive term ? Is the Netherlands the correct way to refer to the country ? It isn’t derogatory but it is incorrect, Netherlands is the correct name for the entire country. Holland only is a region but for whatever reason over time was also used to refer to the country as a whole, the name change (to the official country name) was a step away from this. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: I have wondered before if supporting England can be equated with what it’s like supporting the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool. But then I thought nah, because fans of those clubs see their teams win stuff. Spurs surely is best example in last decade. Win loads of games but always a feeling it should be in better style and ultimately found wanting when it comes to the crunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Thought England looked really good after going 1-0 up… …granted, it was because Foden dived, but they still looked good after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 I hope the U.S get a win against the Netherlands. As for England it was another professional game, Wales tried to make it as difficult as they could. But let's face it England probably should have been a goal up atleastby half-time. Before the match when the teams were announced many were upset about Henderson yet he was Captain material tonight and played very well. Maguire too for all his criticism he often is good for England. Rashford was the best I've seen him play for England and now joint top goalscorer. Not really sure what to make of Senegal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Zatman said: They scored 18 goals in 6 games Not that many people even watched that tournament on TV Nobled puskss in the group match when Hungary thrashed Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, penguin said: It isn’t derogatory but it is incorrect, Netherlands is the correct name for the entire country. Holland only is a region but for whatever reason over time was also used to refer to the country as a whole, the name change (to the official country name) was a step away from this. The previous quoted comment sounds a bit (and I don’t use this word lightly) woke. The Dutch that I work with neither mind or care. I actually though it was the other way round as well, the nederlands meaning something along the lines of low lands on Germania so actually it’s only a part of the county and Netherlands or Holland being correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Could Southgate manage a top Premiership team, or would he be offered to do so. No! There's your answer how good he really is. We've had good club managers before who have done no where nearjy as well as southgate has in major tournaments though. The journey isn't over yet so let's judge him when it is. So far so good this tournament. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 As others mentioned, fatigue can play a part. US have had to do a lot of hard running against England and now Iran and play on one day less rest. Their biggest problem is they can’t particularly score nor are they good on set pieces. That being said, the Munsah, Mckennie, Adams midfield has been very impressive and good cover for Ream/Zimmerman. I don’t think they’ll be blown away as Netherlands play narrow and centrally attacking with their 5212 (roughly) formation. The gaps are behind the attacking fullbacks for the US so I don’t think they’ll be blown out of the water. Just a matter of individual moments. Gakpo, Depay, and De Jong. Pulisic, Mckennie, Dest have been the main thrust for the US. Keep it tight, don’t give away the game and give yourself a chance. Biggest weakness for the US manager are the weak bench and inexperience with his substitutions. Think it’ll come down to a late second half winner for the Netherlands but you never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted November 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2022 We are like Man Utd fans, and you can see it on here quite a lot. I wasn't on here during the game and I don't know what was said at half time, but it sounds like a few toys were thrown. Even now we're talking about the 'style of play', as though that isn't completely secondary to winning the game. Back before the tournament I, and quite a few others, voiced the opinion that this group could have 1 or 2 'banana skins'. But we did not slip; we got 7 points from 9 available, finished 1st, scored 9 goals and conceded 2, kept 2 clean sheets, have one guy who has played less than 1.5 matches but is joint-top-scorer for the tournament and have another guy who has more assists than anyone else at the tournament. Even Harry Maguire has looked good! In real life, off this forum, everyone I know from another country kind of hates England, and the most common reason they give is the entitlement of our fans. And they're right - why would an Irish person find it anything other than annoying to listen to English people complain about the national team? Less than a decade ago, I was getting up in the middle of the night to watch England somehow finish bottom of a group that contained Costa Rica. 6 years before that we failed to qualify for the Euros. Scotland haven't qualified for the World Cup since 1998. It could be a lot worse! Just try and enjoy it and touch grass sometimes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Crazy too how European born and reared players with African or American lineage represent those countries these days. That certainly wasn’t as frequent in the past. Im thinking if your Dest with the Netherlands or Inaki Williams and Lamptey with Ghana and the modern player has agents / management that sorts flight itinerary and everything involved really - it’s not anywhere near an inconvenience as it would be. Even Nigeria. Their 94 and 98 teams had pure born and bred Nigerians. Now they have that too obviously but with guys like Aribo and Iwobi. English with Nigerian family. Again, mixture of these associations been able to afford it and the modern player having management that makes this workable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted November 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Nicho said: The Dutch that I work with neither mind or care. As I understand it, the Dutch are world-class experts at absorbing insults with effortless aplomb. Dunno if it's true. Edited November 30, 2022 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted November 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) Damn, this doctor's take on the Pulisic injury is actually interesting. I know: A doctor on YouTube? I know, but it's excellent, even if you're not especially interested in USA or Chelsea. Edited November 30, 2022 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Delighted to see Rashford doing so well. Really likeable decent lad despite who he plays for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: I think getting to a tournament for the first time for over 60 years allows them a little bit of slack. Especially when all of their key players are over the hill. Maybe but i wouldnt have enjoyed as a wales fan. Battered by england and iran and really had only 40 mins good game and that was 2nd half against usa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Lovely bit of cheating there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted November 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Johnnyp said: Off topic but need this sorting once and for all ( for me ) Is Holland a derogatory and offensive term ? Is the Netherlands the correct way to refer to the country ? I’m pretty sure The Netherlands is the proper name for the country, whereas Holland is the largest part and most populated… so I suppose is it a bit like when Americans say they’re going to “London” when they fly to the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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