It's Your Round Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I’m not a fan of it, it makes for a boring game and is frustrating to watch. It’s a valid tactic to help see a game out but when the yellows are mounting up it’s going to cause issues. I’d much rather we take the sting out with slick ball retention, but we’re a long way from that yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 It's a thing of beauty and I love it and it drives the opposition mad, proper game management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Long term you don’t want it happening all the time, but in tight cases to build our confidence up after this season why not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarcana Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) Its annoying but referees can add the time on if they like. There's only benefit if the ref isn't stopping the watch. If we were not so obvious today, probably 8 minutes would have been 5/6 I remember in DS last game Southampton pissed me off no end , horrible second half and there was no where near enough injury time, these bafoons got 8 minutes today , can't complain Edited November 13, 2022 by Villarcana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2022 Brighton wasted more time when there manager got his yellow card. Manure did it on Sunday, experts at it and Spurs are as well. We're poor at it but the media seem to set the agenda against us when we do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, penguin said: Hate it but it’s on the officials to do something about it. I take it as a given that players will do, and push to the limit, everything they can to extract an advantage. If you booked a keeper after 20 minutes for taking a slow GK then they certainly wouldn't be risking it for next hour. I can actually remember Friedel getting booked away to Arsenal in first half once but it's very rare. Would imagine it's a silent directive to refs to just book them end of the game as you don't want to send off players unless you really have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Whatever way you look at it it helped us to our first away win of the season at a difficult place to go. Sometimes you just gotta do whats necessary to stop the horrid run, which is exactly what our run of away games was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khizzy Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 We wouldn't like it if other teams did it to us but we should embrace every tactic we can to see a game out because Brighton would have beaten us today if we hadn't done what we did and if Gerrard or Smith were in charge. It's all about marginal gains! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 It’s up to the refs to police it. I don’t give a shit either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Khizzy said: We wouldn't like it if other teams did it to us but we should embrace every tactic we can to see a game out because Brighton would have beaten us today if we hadn't done what we did and if Gerrard or Smith were in charge. It's all about marginal gains! Brighton wouldn't have beaten us if we had played for 180 minutes, they wouldn't have even scored if we didn't give them a golden chance, there a good side but they was poor today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 It undoubtedly makes the end of games boring to watch. I would potentially be interested in 60-minute games where the clock stops every time the ball is dead, which might eliminate some of this from the sport. But for now, we are playing the sport the way it is currently refereed and controlled, and under the current system even 11 yellow cards would be a good price for 3 points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bunnski said: It's a thing of beauty and I love it and it drives the opposition mad, proper game management. We turned a 93 minute game into a 98 minute game, picked up a bunch of yellows and look like a team of words removed. Not sure it’s effective, or a “thing of beauty” tbh. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said: Whatever way you look at it it helped us to our first away win of the season at a difficult place to go. Sometimes you just gotta do whats necessary to stop the horrid run, which is exactly what our run of away games was. Really, how did it help? We extended the game by a good 5 mins and got a load of bookings. I think it increased the chance of us getting punished personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I don't mind if it's done in the right circumstances, and so far we've done it in the right circumstances. We've needed a bit of steel and shithousery for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) Teams do it all the time. We’ve had it done against us more often than not. If it gives us an advantage then who cares. We spent many years being a ‘nice’ and ‘honest’ side it hasn’t got us anywhere. Time for that to change. Sod every single side that plays against us. Edited November 13, 2022 by Tayls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Tayls said: Teams do it all the time. We’ve had it done against us more often than not. If it gives us an advantage then who cares. We spent many years being a a ‘nice’ and ‘honest’ side it hasn’t got us anywhere. Time for that to change. Sod every single side that plays against us. This is the point i’m trying to make, where are we getting an advantage? Long term we have more yellows to hurt us later. Short term we’ve got to see out 8 minutes of injury time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted November 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: Really, how did it help? We extended the game by a good 5 mins and got a load of bookings. I think it increased the chance of us getting punished personally. By preventing Brighton, who were in danger of getting a groove on, from building up a head of steam, and by annoying their fans so that the game became petty stop-start rather than them driving the team forward for one last push. If your argument in this thread is that time wasting is ugly, boring to watch, cynical or unsportsmanlike, those are all defensible opinions. If it is that time wasting is *ineffective* then there's no need for a discussion because that's just clearly wrong. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Love it when we do it, hate when teams do it to us. The fact that most teams do it and have done for decades, it’s just part of the game. We aren’t good enough to hold the ball for minutes and thus this is our way to run the clock out. I’d rather what we did today than walk away with a draw. It’s that simple, nobody will remember the time wasting in a months time but they will remember the win and more importantly the vital points and improved league position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted November 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2022 We needed extreme time wasting today, especially the way Brighton play we needed to break their flow which ever way we can. Obviously would be great if Emery can get this group of players to play that sort of possession football but with the end product. Although like someone had said here, Brighton wasted as much time for their manager's complain and his booking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenfly Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I hate it when other teams do it because it's frustrating as hell. But then again, that's the point. The fact that so much extra time is added as a result suggests it's not necessarily meant to waste time exactly, rather to get under the other team's skin and wind them up. I'd say most of the time when the opponent is riled up they're less likely to be effective. If that's the case, then I'm all for it as a tactic. It's not great to watch, but damned if it isn't effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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