mottaloo Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Condimentalist said: Perhaps that is the 'passions exchanged' that the post is referencing. OT but I don't think duggie's missus is all that. A bit brassy, too much slap on...I mean, wearing fake tan and false eye lashes whilst playing ?? Nah.... I'm sure she'll be gutted reading this, but it's a No from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 30, 2022 Not sure what people were expecting from Castore. If you look at their other kits they're almost always clean, plain, "boring" designs That can be a good thing or a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: I'm not entirely sure so it's an educated guess here. I would anticipate Fanatics have paid Villa X amount and then have the rights to negotiate with kit suppliers. My understanding of the first year of that was that the kit was designed in-house at Fanatics and then the supplier for that season paid to have their logo put onto the kit that had been designed and developed. Once Kappa came on board, they have their own design templates and styles so I would expect the deal to have been structured a little differently with them. Castore will be an interesting one as my understanding (again, could be wrong) is that their deal with Newcastle is direct but their deal with Wolves is through Fanatics. In this instance, Fanatics have a preferred manufacturer which is where the Wolves stuff was made. From what I saw, that was of a higher standard than what Newcastle fans were buying. I know there has been a lot of conjecture about Fanatics' role in our kits over the last few years, but in reality their partner factories are good. Fanatics manage to get licences from the likes of Nike and Adidas to produce American sports products with their logos on, and those two brands wouldn't sign up for that unless the quality was going to be spot on. Wait, are you saying Luke Roper actually had nothing to do with the design and development of our kits that year?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Don't bring pallets into this thread again God 2008 was so long ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, Keyblade said: When people go on about tradition, they usually just mean the 70's or 80's I figured as much. To be fair the simple kits from around then are some of my favourites too, although I hate the ones with the laced collars that you'd expect to see on the front of a dodgy romance novel. As a child of the 90s I don't think I'd even seen a kit of ours the designer had showed restraint on until seeing pictures on Google from before I was born! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 5 hours ago, His Name Is Death said: I know there are bigger things to be worrying about, but why does our blue have to be so pale these days? (Arguably, we no longer play in 'proper' claret either, more like magenta in some lights.) The blue in this kit is just lush. I wonder what the reasons have been for the colour changes over the years. Are they decisions meant to accommodate broadcasters, making sure that the kits produce enough contrast for the cameras filming from the gantry? It's more purple than claret these days. Definitely not enough red in it. Don't particularly mind the blue not being darker, but wouldn't be against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said: For the @Stephen_Evans of the world, who aren't au fait with Google, or have a skewed memory of reality: http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm 1893 to 1969 is a fairly long stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Stephen_Evans said: 1893 to 1969 is a fairly long stretch. There were all sorts of things tweaked in that time, the shirts just don't seem as drastically different between iterations due to the lack of huge, ugly logos plastered all over them. Edited May 30, 2022 by Sam-AVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: There were all sorts of things tweaked in that time, the shirts just don't seem as drastically different between iterations due to the lack of huge, ugly logos plastered all over them. Yes I know. I'm not really sure what you're arguing about. Have a great day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Stephen_Evans said: Yes I know. I'm not really sure what you're arguing about. Have a great day. Was just trying to clarify my opinion as you were 'confused' by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted May 30, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 30, 2022 2 hours ago, StanBalaban said: So Rob, if SQUATWOLF wanted to do the Villa kit, what would the process be? I'm assuming there would need to be a deal between SW and Fanatics, who would then go on to produce the kit and other apparel? First off, good knowledge on the choice of brand for the example! Secondly, my understanding is yes - the deal is brand + Fanatics. In terms of manufacturing I don't think it's a prerequisite that Fanatics' factories make the products. In the case of Kappa I would guess Fanatics have sub-licensed the whole kit and kaboodle (lol) and just retained the sales and distribution rights. 2 hours ago, Pissflaps said: Am I wrong in thinking the fanatics deal had ended now? I don't know. I'm not sure how long it was for. Castore have/had a similar set-up with Wolves though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted May 30, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, est1874 said: Wait, are you saying Luke Roper actually had nothing to do with the design and development of our kits that year?? Quote The current agreement on kit supply provision, and branding, is perhaps misunderstood, Mr Purslow suggested. The designer and producer of the kit is Fanatics. Hugely respected within the sports industry and a maker of many other high-profile team apparel. Luke, a local retail clothing brand, has a marketing-only agreement with the club. Fanatics make their profit from selling merchandise in our store and on websites and wholesale. Luke have a relationship where their brand is promoted with their logo and other visible marketing around the ground. Mr Purslow added that a priority for him is to drive higher values for the brands associated with Aston Villa. https://astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/the-aston-villa-fan-consultation-group-1st-meeting-with-ceo-christian-purslow-minutes/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: https://astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/the-aston-villa-fan-consultation-group-1st-meeting-with-ceo-christian-purslow-minutes/ If that really is the case Rob then a big well done to Fanatics kit designers for getting it spot on AND getting the actually claret and blue proper! Do you think Fanatics have contemplated becoming a full-on kit supplier with their logo/branding? ITHe kits are so spot on with the colours and looking back at classic Villa kits and modernising them. I thought the consesus was that Luke was consulted by Fanatics regards the design and colours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: First off, good knowledge on the choice of brand for the example! Secondly, my understanding is yes - the deal is brand + Fanatics. In terms of manufacturing I don't think it's a prerequisite that Fanatics' factories make the products. In the case of Kappa I would guess Fanatics have sub-licensed the whole kit and kaboodle (lol) and just retained the sales and distribution rights. I don't know. I'm not sure how long it was for. Castore have/had a similar set-up with Wolves though. Thanks for that, it makes sense. So the kit deal, in terms of £X over Y years is the amount Fanatics pay to the club, with a separate agreement between Fanatics and the brand? I'm assuming there's a clear ROI for both parties (perhaps more indirectly for the brand). Shall we look forward to SQUATWOLF AVFC in 2025 then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 That Luke Roper video where is talking about ‘his’ inspirations for the kits were pure fallacy and I suspect potentially open to litigation were someone willing to push it. It’s pure fraud. Fanatics designed and produced those kits. Luke Sports simply paid to have their logo on it and pretended to be the kit designer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: That Luke Roper video where is talking about ‘his’ inspirations for the kits were pure fallacy and I suspect potentially open to litigation were someone willing to push it. It’s pure fraud. Fanatics designed and produced those kits. Luke Sports simply paid to have their logo on it and pretended to be the kit designer. That really is fraud. Literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Well it is interesting if that's the case that villa were on board with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: That Luke Roper video where is talking about ‘his’ inspirations for the kits were pure fallacy and I suspect potentially open to litigation were someone willing to push it. It’s pure fraud. Fanatics designed and produced those kits. Luke Sports simply paid to have their logo on it and pretended to be the kit designer. I would imagine it was a coordinated marketing campaign, agreed by club, Luke and Fanatics. The narrative helps to sell more shirts, which benefits ball parties, and there may well have been some input in terms of design from Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 30, 2022 Are Cazoo the main shirt sponsors again next year? If so it will be the first sponsor we've had for more than 2 years since Mita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, StanBalaban said: I would imagine it was a coordinated marketing campaign, agreed by club, Luke and Fanatics. The narrative helps to sell more shirts, which benefits ball parties, and there may well have been some input in terms of design from Luke. I still find it incredibly objectionable if the logic of the 3 parties mentioned above was "Well, Villa fans won't buy as many of these shirts unless we flat out lie to their faces." It was a beautiful shirt full stop, but it feels cheapened somehow to know they had to peddle a fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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