Vive_La_Villa Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: I think I know why this role is so important. We have talented players on either side of the midfield 3 who fill the hybrid roles of shuttler/box to box midfielders. Ramsey/McGinn/Luiz/Sanson. They cover the full backs when we are in possession as the full backs need to get forward. They are also needed to form the passing triangles with the full back and one of the 10s in the wide half spaces. They also come late into the box to finish chances. For this to reach its zenith under Gerrard we need that destroyer anchoring the midfield and along with the two CBs being the core of the defensive aspects of the formation. Especially needs constant energy, good passing as they will get many touches as we build from the back and of course they need to be breaking up opposition play, especially during transition. Bissouma is absolutely perfect at this role. He's proven in the Premier League and is the key to unlocking the final piece of the puzzle for Gerrard. Pretty much spot on. I don’t know enough about how much Bissouma is that player though as I’ve read on here that he is more of a box to box midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Pretty much spot on. I don’t know enough about how much Bissouma is that player though as I’ve read on here that he is more of a box to box midfielder. Absolutely correct, he's not a 6 at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: Pretty much spot on. I don’t know enough about how much Bissouma is that player though as I’ve read on here that he is more of a box to box midfielder. He has played a lot this season as part of a double pivot or when there is 3 at the back, which is why he's become a bit more box to box. He can easily play one of the shuttler/box to box roles or as the central defensive role. Like Kante has adapted more to be more box to box now for Chelsea. I think Gerrard wants the midfield three to be adaptable. As opposition try mark our players and block off passing options the right decision might be carry the ball forward yourself. So we need that "all in one" skillset from our midfielders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: think Gerrard wants the midfield three to be adaptable. As opposition try mark our players and block off passing options the right decision might be carry the ball forward yourself. So we need that "all in one" skillset from our midfielders 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 minute ago, DaveAV1 said: Sorry forgot the words. I think that’s exactly how SG views the midfield. We all seem set on a specific CDM but I think he views this as a skill required from all our midfielders with flexibility and fluidity being the important assets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-Copenhagen Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 15:25, vreitti said: In my view he's too similar, in both style and stature to what we've already got. I'd prefer a different type of midfielder. Perhaps someone more like Loftus-Cheek, albeit less injury-prone. Are you kidding me? We have nothing like him at all. The only real ball winning DM we have is Nakamba and he is not good enough on the ball to really move us forward - and he is out injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: 18 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: 23 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Sorry forgot the words. I think that’s exactly how SG views the midfield. We all seem set on a specific CDM but I think he views this as a skill required from all our midfielders with flexibility and fluidity being the important assets. Keep the noise down please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Of course we need capable passers and progressers of the ball in the dm position. But the difference between Biss and say Luiz is that he has the defensive mindset first and foremost. He sees the dangers early . Then once you have that , and as Gerrard wants to play in the opponents half you can utilise the dm's other skills. Bissouma has the best parts of Luiz and Nakamba in his locker. And that is why he will be worth whatever we pay if we get him. We have compromised for so long in this position. If we get him then watch us fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 what's happening with this one, has there been any more noise about it or are we just shooting the shit and waiting for something to happen in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, leemond2008 said: what's happening with this one, has there been any more noise about it or are we just shooting the shit and waiting for something to happen in here? Rashica thread all over again. Unleash the fish puns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryBarrPet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, leemond2008 said: what's happening with this one, has there been any more noise about it or are we just shooting the shit and waiting for something to happen in here? SKY Sports News at it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Two utter bellends looking at their phones as if reading texts from connected people instead of the latest weather forecast at 5pm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Mazrim said: You'd really drop JJ for McGinn? And I can't see Coutinho in midfield. Even Bissouma would be overrun in that midfield. For all McGinn's arse out, determined, running uphill, all-action style, he doesn't cover enough space to make that work. This is also why I'm surprised people are suggesting we move Luiz on. He's perfect for partnering a 6 and linking the play. And JJ is a natural at the quick give-and-go movement with Coutinho and Buendia up in the attacking mid positions - which I love to see and can be devastating. I personally don't think that is natural to McGinn. This is also why I want to (eventually) see JJ and Chuk ahead of a top #6., linking up with Buendia / Coutinho / Bailey etc. Mouth-watering. So basically, the goals we scored on Sat. That's what I want to see all the time. It's doable too. Yes I would play McGinn over JJ and the suggestion that Coutinho could play as an 8 came from the manager, not me. Bissouma and McGinn could happily anchor a midfield imo, McGinn did it with Luiz in a 4-2-3-1 very successfully for a while. 2 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: The Spanish league pundit that was on Villa podcast before we'd signed Coutinho said player might see himself in the middle 3 but he's not got the attributes and wouldn't cut it in PL nowadays as his defensive work is non existent. I agree Also have we signed Bissouma and I missed it? Again, it was something the manager suggested. He might have been thoughtlessly running his mouth off in the way Gerrard is known to do… or, if he has ambitions to get Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey/Carney on the pitch together, he might have actually thought it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 57 minutes ago, leemond2008 said: are we just shooting the shit and waiting for something to happen in here? yes we are. no noise, the silence is deafening. I blame the fax machines in Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 12:39, CVByrne said: We are a Bissouma away from competing for the top 6 couldn't be said any simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 12:52, ozvillafan said: Gareth Barry? spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Mazrim said: Two utter bellends looking at their phones as if reading texts from connected people instead of the latest weather forecast at 5pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 12:39, CVByrne said: We are a Bissouma away from competing for the top 6 6 minutes ago, TRO said: couldn't be said any simpler. i mean, i dont think thats true at all, but ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, CVByrne said: He has played a lot this season as part of a double pivot or when there is 3 at the back, which is why he's become a bit more box to box. He can easily play one of the shuttler/box to box roles or as the central defensive role. Like Kante has adapted more to be more box to box now for Chelsea. I think Gerrard wants the midfield three to be adaptable. As opposition try mark our players and block off passing options the right decision might be carry the ball forward yourself. So we need that "all in one" skillset from our midfielders. I think all managers want their midfielders to be able to do all the tasks and its only the very best that come close....its a bit wishful thinking. We have to be reasonable here in our expectation....but equally certain tasks have to be done.....either they can all do it ( Whatever it is) or you need a specialist.....or in some cases, none can do it. We have a midfield, who have questionable dead ball kickers, never mind tacklers.......We need some specialist tasks in there. Sure its early days under SG and so many things to focus on, but we do need some dedicated weapons like JWP has in his armoury.....maybe Phil or Lucas can cause chaos with their free kicks. But whether we sign a designated ball winner or the existing players adapt the skill.....someone has to do it.....we can't keep standing off and waiting for the bollocking to start doing it. I think is some quarters there is an obsession, with the call itself rather than for a CDM.....and all is being asked is....to stop the opposition scoring at random and defending the centre backs and goal, better than we are. some can clearly see the merit in it.....some have difficulty. Edited January 18, 2022 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, MaVilla said: i mean, i dont think thats true at all, but ok Its an opinion....but I would not be surprised to see that happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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