TRO Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: just wait till we submit the 75m bid for Bellingham, the thread will be buzzing then errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........................yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Yeh, could be mate, absolutely. Digne would massively improve our offensive output, I just don't know how good he is at defending. Can anyone enlighten? I can't see us competing with Newcastle financially. Right now, they're probably prepared to give players like Digne and Trippier 200k a week just to stay in the division. Everton mate tells me he is lazy getting back. Probably why him and Benitez fell out. Benitez likes to defend first and foremost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: I agree and I think that goes down to our manager. This is not a Deano bash but it is critical of him. I think his lack of experience at PL level helped put us in this position. In the Championship he was able to win games by outscoring the opposition. We had Jack and Tammy and a fairly decent squad team behind them. We simply didn't need the strong DM or very disciplined back 4/5 in order to win games and gain promotion. This philosophy carried on to the PL. But the PL is at such a higher level to the Championship that it didn't work. This is why, imo, we looked brilliant on some days and like dog shyte on other days. If a team let us play against them and if we were in form we looked like Barcelona. But against disciplined teams we often came unstuck. I believe this is reflected in why we lost so many games to teams we 'expected' to beat. We still have the hangover of that philosophy and Gerrard needs to fix that which means improving the quality of our defence and CDM and also learning to play with much more discipline bang on the money. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Yeh, could be mate, absolutely. Digne would massively improve our offensive output, I just don't know how good he is at defending. Can anyone enlighten? I can't see us competing with Newcastle financially. Right now, they're probably prepared to give players like Digne and Trippier 200k a week just to stay in the division. Tagliafico seems the more likely link of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: He's accurate about most things. Even Percy was crediting him for some stuff. I'm surprised at the Digne links as it kind of goes against our philosophy as others have said. He is however, a very good player. I think signing players 24 ish and below has proved to expensive. Weve signed Ashley Young and Danny Ings last summer. Given the likely hefty losses on Wesley, Trez, and one or two others - it would seem reasonable to assume that this policy (if indeed it ever was a policy) is no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Think Digne would suit our system (or the way I suspect Gerrard want's us to play) really well and according to some Everton fans at least the reason him and Rafa have fallen out is that he's been asked to stay back more instead of bombing forward. That and being taken off set pieces. Then again Everton fans seem to not be sure what exactly is the deal between Rafa and Digne. A lot of em seem to think Digne has poor attitude and has been engineering a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I didn't realise that Digne had played for Barcelona, and Paris Saint Germain, so has big club and Champions League experience, also we need more creativity from our fullbacks and he seems to have that as well. My main concern would be that some Everton fans seem to think he's been out of form for a season or two now, alebit some blame that on Benitez, and if he was that bad surely a team such as Chelsea wouldn't be interested in him. I wonder if we'd have any chance of getting Ian Maatsen from Chelsea, currently on loan at Coventry, If we're going to sign an older left back for the first team, then I think we'd be well served also signing a younger one for the future, maybe that we could send on loan for a season or two, especially as we don't really have an equivalent to Kesler-Hayden in the left-back position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, useless said: I wonder if we'd have any chance of getting Ian Maatsen from Chelsea, currently on loan at Coventry, If we're going to sign an older left back for the first team, then I think we'd be well served also signing a younger one for the future, maybe that we could send on loan for a season or two, especially as we don't really have an equivalent to Kesler-Hayden in the left-back position. If we sign Digne/Tagliafico/someone who is going to start as LB, we got Targett as backup, and we got Chrisene as a younger for the future. Chrisene is a few years under Kesler-Hayden but he is highly rated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman22 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: Everton mate tells me he is lazy getting back. Probably why him and Benitez fell out. Benitez likes to defend first and foremost His defensive stats are decent, better than Targett’s. Sometimes players and managers don’t click. If we could pick Digne up for 20-25m that’s seems really decent value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, pas5898 said: Eventually we will reach the Everton quandary. Need to sign quality players, but can't quite attract the "elite players". The mistake Everton made was overpaying for the likes of Siggurdsson, Iwobi etc and getting journeymen / elite rejects like James Rodriguez. yep...an easy mistake to drift in to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, sne said: Spend £50m on Ben White? Can you argue with the transformation it’s brought to them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I know Chrisene is highly rated, but I'm not sure his long term position is going to be as a leftback, same with Travis Patterson, they're both just so good that they can play pretty much anywhere. In fact I'm expecting us to sign a younger left back in the sixteen to seventeen year range for the academy either this window or in the summer, because at the moment we don't have a specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, useless said: I didn't realise that Digne had played for Barcelona, and Paris Saint Germain, so has big club and Champions League experience, also we need more creativity from our fullbacks and he seems to have that as well. My main concern would be that some Everton fans seem to think he's been out of form for a season or two now, alebit some blame that on Benitez, and if he was that bad surely a team such as Chelsea wouldn't be interested in him. I wonder if we'd have any chance of getting Ian Maatsen from Chelsea, currently on loan at Coventry, If we're going to sign an older left back for the first team, then I think we'd be well served also signing a younger one for the future, maybe that we could send on loan for a season or two, especially as we don't really have an equivalent to Kesler-Hayden in the left-back position. we have Chrisene, but he is a year or two younger so will obviously take longer to stake a claim (if either do!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: Can you argue with the transformation it’s brought to them? We are not in a position to spend £50m on single players so in that regard we can't really emulate Arsenal even if we wanted to. Especially since they also bought Ödegaard, Ramsdale, Tomiasu & Lokanga for pretty big money. Comparing to Arsenal is at best something we can do if we double our revenue and get very successful for a couple seasons. We stretched our budget as much as possible even after getting £100m for Grealish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, useless said: I know Chrisene is highly rated, but I'm not sure his long term position is going to be as a leftback, same with Travis Patterson, they're both just so good that they can play pretty much anywhere. In fact I'm expecting us to sign a younger left back in the sixteen to seventeen year range for the academy either this window or in the summer, because at the moment we don't have a specialist. I agree. Chrisene would be one part of the worlds greatest centre back partnership in my biased eyes alongside Mr Feeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sne said: We are not in a position to spend £50m on single players so in that regard we can't really emulate Arsenal even if we wanted to. Especially since they also bought Ödegaard, Ramsdale, Tomiasu & Lokanga for pretty big money. Comparing to Arsenal is at best something we can do if we double our revenue and get very successful for a couple seasons. We stretched our budget as much as possible even after getting £100m for Grealish. Yeah I don’t disagree. I still like the general policy of shopping for younger players and bringing them up. We followed that blueprint in the promotion season and Ings and Young were a departure from that. Will be interesting to see where we go next. It’s not easy in our position though in the lower half of the Premier League. Any player that succeeds will likely be targeted by the big fish but the ones who flop are on Premier League wages and can’t realistically be sold. Edited January 4, 2022 by LondonLax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 43 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Ben White has been a very good player for them. And most important thing he is a very good age who can keep growing with them. 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: Digne, Ings Looks like we're falling exactly into the Everton trap. We should do like Arsenal did in the summer. Lucky we’ve invested so much in our academy then, funny how JJ wasn’t good enough for you last year but has done exactly what you are preaching to us now in your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I think Chrisene's best position will probably be in midfield, he's actually a very good attacker, can go past players, and is very skilful, strong, and has good drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Jas10 said: Boubacar Kamara would be an ideal signing for us. A young, quality DM that can also cover CB (useful now that we’re down to 3 in that department). Won’t cost much due to contract running down, it’s whether we can lure him here (if we’re even interested). Zakaria would be a major coup for us… that kind of ambition would be very encouraging. There are plenty of candidates for that DM role but I just wonder how interested we are in such a player (despite the obvious need) because we haven’t made such a move in previous windows… maybe SG sees things differently though. In general, we’re overstocked in midfield but lack proper DMs. At least one quality DM would really help us (same old story). But I think we would need to start moving players on if we sign more than one midfielder… it’s a bit of a conundrum going forwards. Do we keep faith with our existing players and youngsters or offload one or two and try to get genuine upgrades in there? For now, we need that top class DM who can help control possession, dictate play and break up opposition attacks. Give us some dominance in that area… Nice to see you back on here Jas. I think this all depends on whether a prime targets come in or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 40 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Yeh, could be mate, absolutely. Digne would massively improve our offensive output, I just don't know how good he is at defending. Can anyone enlighten? I can't see us competing with Newcastle financially. Right now, they're probably prepared to give players like Digne and Trippier 200k a week just to stay in the division. French international. Is an improvement on Targett. But I’m telling you with Chillwell out for the season Chelsea are going to snap him up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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