Rich192 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Jas10 said: Yeah, LT: Genuinely never noticed that sleeve sponsor before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 There is a fan consultation meeting coming up tomorrow isn't there? Maybe the nay sayers can ask the Mod to raise this at the meeting if there is ongoing malcontent about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Jas10 said: Yeah, LT: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hong0311 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Gambling business outside China might be the way of how businessman get money out of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 22 hours ago, paul514 said: I hate gambling advertising so I’m obviously not happy with this. I feel sport needs to take a stand on this. I Bet they won't. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Genuinely have little interest in the sponsorship. If they give Vila a ton of cash then as long as it legal I don't care. We seem to have a different one every season and I forget them straight away when they don't renew. I would struggle to recall any of our sponsors apart from Acorns which in fairness was a classy touch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted June 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2021 FFP means that Villa can’t afford to be picky with sponsors, we simply have to appoint the highest bidder to help balance the books as best as possible. Either that or we take the high road and less money, and hand a competitive advantage to our rivals. Our owners are minted so I don’t think think for a second we would do business with a dodgy Chinese book maker if FFP wasn’t in play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, mikeyjavfc said: FFP means that Villa can’t afford to be picky with sponsors, we simply have to appoint the highest bidder to help balance the books as best as possible. Either that or we take the high road and less money, and hand a competitive advantage to our rivals. Our owners are minted so I don’t think think for a second we would do business with a dodgy Chinese book maker if FFP wasn’t in play. It's my views, it doesn't mean anyone else has to support it. I also highly doubt that betting companies are paying significantly higher than the next highest options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 5 hours ago, paul514 said: It's my views, it doesn't mean anyone else has to support it. I also highly doubt that betting companies are paying significantly higher than the next highest options. Impossible to tell really Must be something going on due to the shear number of them in the PL, maybe they do pay more or maybe they pursue us rather than the other way around The other thing is they might not plaster themselves on the shirts but man utd, Liverpool etc still have an Asian company as a global betting partner, probably paying them more to be in the background than ours are to be on the shirt We will have a betting partner as a global partner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 19 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: What scandals? Bournemouth ended their £5m a year deal with Mansion M88 after the Gambling Commission launched an investigation into their business model - their gambling licence revoked. Burnley were already reviewing their deal with LoveBet before the pandemic (also a dodgy white-label sponsor) Norwich cancelled their deal with a Thai betting firm over their use of porn and adult marketing after just 3 days - another dodgy AF white-label gambling firm which cannot operate legally across most of SE Asia. From the local press. Quote Then finally a clue - at the foot of BK8’s UK gambling site is a disclaimer: it is operated by ProgressPlay, a limited company headquartered and licenced in Malta. Documents filed at the Maltese Business Registry reveal that ProgressPlay is a fairly tiny company, with profits of just 15,000 euros last year and debts of nearly half a million. It is owned by Godric Investments Ltd, which is based in British Virgin Islands, a tax haven. There the trail runs cold. ProgressPlay is also licensed by the UK Gambling Commission, which believes its head office is in a pretty seaside town in Cyprus. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 This is very dodgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2021 I genuinely don't see an issue with this, but kinda understand why some would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 There's almost no public record of this 'Kai Webb' person even existing, Google them. The only thing that comes up really follows the club press release. Shouldn't that worry us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, The_Steve said: There's almost no public record of this 'Kai Webb' person even existing, Google them. The only thing that comes up really follows the club press release. Shouldn't that worry us? No, why would it worry us? If I offered more money to put “ender4” on the shirt, then that would be the sponsor and you’d all be walking around with my name on your chest Edited June 23, 2021 by ender4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Rich192 said: Genuinely never noticed that sleeve sponsor before. Please don't tell our potential sponsors that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, PieFacE said: I genuinely don't see an issue with this, but kinda understand why some would. Sadly, some people only care about money in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 The fact that the club press release doesn’t mention they are a gambling firm and links to them without any warning is grossly irresponsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Personally don’t give a toss who sponsors us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 23, 2021 Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2021 Probably worth noting that LT were also an Asian gambling firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) The moral outrage is exhausting tbh. Every capitalist industry is exploitative in some way - the hint is in the name. Some more than others, sure, but football is not an ethical sport and our club needs a revenue stream to be able to compete with those owned by oil barons, sheikhs, and vulture fund investment firms. If we were to decline to allow any exploitative industry or business from sponsoring the club, we'd be begging Jeffries Hardware for a few thousand pounds to appear on our shirts and the accountants would probably struggle to make our losses brush against the threshold for FFP. Hating on betting sponsorship is the new trend, but where's the outrage over Qatar Airways (who are owned in full by the Qatari government) being primary sponsors of Euro 2020? I've heard virtually nowt on this here, or elsewhere in fairness. All within 18 months of the most corrupt World Cup competition in history being staged there. None of it is good, so if you're looking for an ethical, morally upright sport, football is not for you. Separate point but the League Cup went from the Carling Cup to the Carabao Cup due to the rules around alcohol sponsorship. So it went from one damaging type of addictive beverage to another, is that better? And if energy or sugary drink companies also come to be prohibited from sponsoring clubs or tournaments next (as they should, if we're banning the promotion of drinking, smoking, gambling etc), what's left? Get rid of them and betting sites and you're down to car manufacturers and Waitrose basically. Cadbury's is a staple institution of Birmingham, one of its biggest businesses, they'd be great to have on shirts. Sadly chocolate is addictive and damaging to health, and the country has a serious problem with obesity, so we can't be having that. Edited June 23, 2021 by est1874 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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