Delphinho123 Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: Who can feel the sexual tension between @Delphinho123 and @Kiwivillan ? When those two finally bang I have a feeling it’s going to rough and beautiful at the same time. He just gets angry that I’m right all the time and he’s wrong.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Didn't get on at Everton or Arsenal. Has Emery said anything about why he's fit enough for the bench but not getting any minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Didn't get on at Everton or Arsenal. Has Emery said anything about why he's fit enough for the bench but not getting any minutes? Who would you have brought him on for against Everton? I think he might see some minutes at home vs Palace depending on how the game pans out. If he isn’t fully fit and up to seem then he won’t come on, Mcginn made the bench a few times after his hamstring injury but didn’t come on. Emery likes to keep his players involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Surprised he hasn't played for the u23's yet to build up his fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Who would you have brought him on for against Everton? I think he might see some minutes at home vs Palace depending on how the game pans out. If he isn’t fully fit and up to seem then he won’t come on, Mcginn made the bench a few times after his hamstring injury but didn’t come on. Emery likes to keep his players involved. Not saying I'd have brought him on instead of anyone, just curious. I think your point about McGinn is the answer. Keep him involved even if not fully up to speed. Does raise the question why he's not getting u23 time, although I don't think McGinn did either if memory serves. Hoping we do see him as Bailey needs some time off. Buendia earned a start, and Traore coming on for him would give me more excitement than Bailey doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Not saying I'd have brought him on instead of anyone, just curious. I think your point about McGinn is the answer. Keep him involved even if not fully up to speed. Does raise the question why he's not getting u23 time, although I don't think McGinn did either if memory serves. Hoping we do see him as Bailey needs some time off. Buendia earned a start, and Traore coming on for him would give me more excitement than Bailey doing the same. I think the issue with Traore is that his ball retention is probably even worse than Bailey's - at least no better (that and the fact that he had an awful habit of passing without looking and passing straight to an opponent). The whole point of Traore is that he does the unexpected, he is completely unpredictable to play against and he'll possibly do something that few other players in the league could do / would try. The downside is that 95% of the time it doesn't come off and so you have to ensure that that isn't impacting on what the rest of the team are doing. I am feeling sick just contemplating the idea of Bailey and Traore as a front two! Traore is a great option when we are completely bossing a game, are dominating possession, winning the ball back quickly, etc - he's likely to do that one thing that will open up a defence and create a chance. But in a tight match where we are struggling to control the ball and under pressure - he's not the ideal man to bring on. Maybe if we'd gone 1-0 up a bit earlier against Everton he might have got on as there would have been more space to exploit - but by that time it was hard to argue against McGinn, Ramsey or Buendia being on the pitch and he certainly shouldn't be coming on instead of Ollie (ever) - and that's coming from someone who has found Ollie frustrating (but is now very happy to see him doing so much better). I think he's a great option on the bench for specific situations but I do struggle to see a space for him next season unless we get rid of both Bailey and Coutinho as I can't see us having the need for all 3 - especially as I am 80% sure that an attacker is very high on our shopping list and so those three and Buendia are probably competing for places on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Not saying I'd have brought him on instead of anyone, just curious. I think your point about McGinn is the answer. Keep him involved even if not fully up to speed. Does raise the question why he's not getting u23 time, although I don't think McGinn did either if memory serves. Hoping we do see him as Bailey needs some time off. Buendia earned a start, and Traore coming on for him would give me more excitement than Bailey doing the same. I disagree on this part though. I think Buendia has shown over quite an extended period that he's half the player when he starts than he is when he finishes. He is looking more and more like a player who comes on to exploit space, tired legs, etc for the last 30 minutes or so. I don't know whether the stats back that up or not (I should really check) - but he seems to make a positive impact on results more when he's come on in matches than when he has started. The trick for UE is to convince him that not starting is not an issue because his value is in influencing matches late on. I think footballers are still a bit more obsessed about the starting XI than maybe rugby where players now almost specialise in being "finishers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, PeterSw said: Surprised he hasn't played for the u23's yet to build up his fitness. I'm not, he's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I was amazed people were so excited about the recall. I dont expect he will get many minutes on the pitch for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: I was amazed people were so excited about the recall. I dont expect he will get many minutes on the pitch for us. Classic Villatalk phenomenon. I've been guilty of it myself. Even though all evidence points to a player not being good enough, the longer they don't play or the further they are away from the first team, the better they become. Traore may get on once or twice towards the end of the season to boost his chances of moving in the Summer. But that will be your lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, PaulC said: I was amazed people were so excited about the recall. I dont expect he will get many minutes on the pitch for us. I was very excited that he was coming back. And I never expected him to play more than a few sub appearances. He was brought in because we didn't buy a new forward. He is a cover in case Bailey/Buendia/Watkins/Coutinho are out. It was a great move - rather than restricting ourselves to the tricky January window, we've given ourselves essentially a free cover until we can actually improve in that position in the summer. It was a very good, smart move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I was very excited that he was coming back. And I never expected him to play more than a few sub appearances. He was brought in because we didn't buy a new forward. He is a cover in case Bailey/Buendia/Watkins/Coutinho are out. It was a great move - rather than restricting ourselves to the tricky January window, we've given ourselves essentially a free cover until we can actually improve in that position in the summer. It was a very good, smart move. Yeah that doesn’t compute for me. You can think its a good move to bring him back, I certainly agree, but if you don’t even expect him to step foot on the pitch more than a couple times than that level of excitement seems a tad extreme no?And judging by the way people talked about us bringing him back, people definitely expected him to play a lot more than just a couple sub appereances. It seems to me that the hype around his return was mostly driven by people who were desperate for a reason to defend our lack of transfer business in January. Edited February 28, 2023 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I was very excited that he was coming back. And I never expected him to play more than a few sub appearances. He was brought in because we didn't buy a new forward. He is a cover in case Bailey/Buendia/Watkins/Coutinho are out. It was a great move - rather than restricting ourselves to the tricky January window, we've given ourselves essentially a free cover until we can actually improve in that position in the summer. It was a very good, smart move. Only if plays and makes some significant contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 FWIW I think he’s a shit too. I’d by surprised if he plays for us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I think he was bought back because the team he played for no longer wanted him. But the club had to make it look like we wanted him and had plans for him etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, PaulC said: Only if plays and makes some significant contributions. Not strictly true. If he doesn't play because we don't suffer any injuries and maintain top 10 form then it could still very much be a success. Instead of landing ourselves with Traoré 2.0 on a higher wage, longer contract and reduced FFP wiggle room in the summer, we got cover Traoré 1.0, the same wage, the same contract length and 6 extra months of one less salary to aid our summer expenditure. The only way it's not good is it we have an injury crisis, we have to play him, and he somehow ends up worse than Bailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Same as Sanson. Not fit enough and too risky to bring on in those 2 games. He'll play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 7 hours ago, MrBlack said: Didn't get on at Everton or Arsenal. Has Emery said anything about why he's fit enough for the bench but not getting any minutes? Didn't we make just 2 subs against Everton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 hours ago, allani said: I think footballers are still a bit more obsessed about the starting XI than maybe rugby where players now almost specialise in being "finishers". In ten years there will be 11 subs allowed in each game and this idea will have to totally shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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