Popular Post VillaChris Posted October 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2020 Was a masterstroke getting this guy in. He knows his tactics. I remember when he took over from Ranieri and he immediately switched to 3 at the back and got some excellent results in the league and pushed Atletico Madrid hard in the CL. Start to the next season wasn't great but he was unlucky with some of the signings that were made not being available to play, had a hard run of fixtures aswell. I'd say him coming is as good as any of our on field signings. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 On 04/10/2020 at 17:26, TrentVilla said: I’m not taking anything away from Dean Smith but it’s very hard not to see parallels between how Leicester played under Ranieri with Shakespeare and how we played this evening. Doesn’t take anything away from a leader to surround themselves with a strong team (I know this is the point you are making). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZL- Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Mjvilla said: Has Richard O'Kelly taken over Smith's role as the man that sets up the cones? I meant ROK instead of Cutler my bad! But yes from what I've read, ROK leads all of our training sessions. Here's excerpt from Birmingham Mail (not best source I know..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 On 05/10/2020 at 10:02, ZL- said: Came here to say both of these and beaten to the punch! The long diagonal with a drifting striker running the channels is certainly a key tactic of the Ranieri/Shakespeare title winning Leicester team. I believe the ball over the top behind the space vacated by the fullback was the exact strategy Watford executed when Shakespeare was number 2 as well. At first I wasn't so sure if it would be a too many cooks situation with 3 number 2's but so far it seems to be working well; Shakespeare for general playstyle/tactics, Cutler for specific training ground drills and Terry for maybe general motivation, 1 on 1 coaching with players? Speaking of Terry did anyone see him at VP last night, no reason to think he wasn't just don't remember the camera panning to him at all? I'm quite sure that I saw him at the end of the game or maybe of the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) It is true that teams will start respecting us more and setting up to contain us. Like Sheffield United did. But i think Barkley will massively help us unlocking those buses. Edited October 8, 2020 by villalad21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: It is true that teams will start respecting us more and setting up to contain us. Like Sheffield United did. But i think Barkley will massively help us unlocking those buses. football is agame of 2's for me......Jack can now play some little one , two's to better effect with Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 I'm not putting this all on Shakespeare, but its interesting to consider that he joined Watford on 8th Dec 2019, Watford's pre and post Shakespeare form for that season was: Pre : (games played - 16) W 1 , D 6, L 9. (av. PPG - 0.47 - 18 points full season av.) Post : (games played - 22) W 7, D, 4, L 11 (av PPG - 1.09 - 41.5 points full season av.) I think he was an inspired addition to the coaching team, also lets not forget his Leicester contributions. (and a Villa fan to boot) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Thread name should be changed to assistant mastermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, MaVilla said: I'm not putting this all on Shakespeare, but its interesting to consider that he joined Watford on 8th Dec 2019, Watford's pre and post Shakespeare form for that season was: Pre : (games played - 16) W 1 , D 6, L 9. (av. PPG - 0.47 - 18 points full season av.) Post : (games played - 22) W 7, D, 4, L 11 (av PPG - 1.09 - 41.5 points full season av.) I think he was an inspired addition to the coaching team, also lets not forget his Leicester contributions. (and a Villa fan to boot) I will give Craig ALL the credit. Smith get's no credit from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phil Silvers Posted October 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I will give Craig ALL the credit. Smith get's no credit from me 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MaVilla said: I'm not putting this all on Shakespeare, but its interesting to consider that he joined Watford on 8th Dec 2019, Watford's pre and post Shakespeare form for that season was: Pre : (games played - 16) W 1 , D 6, L 9. (av. PPG - 0.47 - 18 points full season av.) Post : (games played - 22) W 7, D, 4, L 11 (av PPG - 1.09 - 41.5 points full season av.) I think he was an inspired addition to the coaching team, also lets not forget his Leicester contributions. (and a Villa fan to boot) Graham Stack moved up from the academy to become first team GK coach in December 2019. I'm not saying he deserves all the credit, but he's definitely more responsible for the improvement in form than Shakespeare. The fact he didn't lose his job when Pearson and Shakespeare did says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: Graham Stack moved up from the academy to become first team GK coach in December 2019. I'm not saying he deserves all the credit, but he's definitely more responsible for the improvement in form than Shakespeare. The fact he didn't lose his job when Pearson and Shakespeare did says it all. Wouldn't he have just been responsible for the goalkeepers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 59 minutes ago, Xela said: Wouldn't he have just been responsible for the goalkeepers? Probably, although Cutler seems involved in more than that for us. Point being when the whole of the coaching staff change at the same time it's odd to attribute it to one of them, particularly ignoring the manager who hired them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: Probably, although Cutler seems involved in more than that for us. Point being when the whole of the coaching staff change at the same time it's odd to attribute it to one of them, particularly ignoring the manager who hired them. i dont think anyone is ignoring the manager who hired them, Smith deserves all the plaudits he gets, my point was that its pretty clear that Shakespeare was a good appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, MaVilla said: i dont think anyone is ignoring the manager who hired them, Smith deserves all the plaudits he gets, my point was that its pretty clear that Shakespeare was a good appointment. I meant Nigel Pearson who also joined Watford December 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Sam-AVFC said: I meant Nigel Pearson who also joined Watford December 2019. i think the sacking of Pearson & Shakespeare at Watford last season was absolute madness, and tbh probably contributed to their final demise. The avg. PPG for Watford under Pearson was survival level, i wouldnt have been surprised if they would have stayed up if they didnt sack them, lucky for us so i wont complain.......was a shocking decision by the Watford owners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 This the table based on games whilst Pearson was Watford's manager... As it shows their form was comfortably midtable form. 1 Liverpool 50 2 Manchester City 43 3 Manchester United 38 4 Burnley 36 5 Tottenham Hotspur 35 6 Sheffield United 35 7 Arsenal 34 8 Wolverhampton Wanderers 33 9 Everton 32 10 Southampton 31 11 Chelsea 31 12 Watford 26 13 Leicester City 24 14 Newcastle United 24 15 West Ham United 21 16 Crystal Palace 21 17 Brighton and Hove Albion 19 18 Aston Villa 16 19 AFC Bournemouth 15 20 Norwich City 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 08/10/2020 at 13:00, villalad21 said: It is true that teams will start respecting us more and setting up to contain us. Like Sheffield United did. But i think Barkley will massively help us unlocking those buses. BANG on the money tonight mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 It was madness for Watford to sack Pearson when they did. Maybe get Pearson on the staff at Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted October 19, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2020 17 hours ago, useless said: This the table based on games whilst Pearson was Watford's manager... As it shows their form was comfortably midtable form. 1 Liverpool 50 2 Manchester City 43 3 Manchester United 38 4 Burnley 36 5 Tottenham Hotspur 35 6 Sheffield United 35 7 Arsenal 34 8 Wolverhampton Wanderers 33 9 Everton 32 10 Southampton 31 11 Chelsea 31 12 Watford 26 13 Leicester City 24 14 Newcastle United 24 15 West Ham United 21 16 Crystal Palace 21 17 Brighton and Hove Albion 19 18 Aston Villa 16 19 AFC Bournemouth 15 20 Norwich City 10 The formatting on this is so bad I think it gave me Covid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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