Popular Post Davkaus Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 I love CNN's take on it “Trump says he’ll go to Supreme Court; Unclear Why” 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: You would think the Libertarian party would pick up much more moderate republican votes but it is such a 2 party system in the states this never really happens. Libertarianism is an intellectually dishonest ideology in my experience. It's generally 'freedom for things I like but restrictions to things I don't like'. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 4, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: Green Bay votes now in - Wisconsin will be called Biden. Just on Michigan, that looks like coming in too - so Trump can kick and scream all he wants, but it's over. Why are you so certain on Michigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Libertarians are people who profess to support liberty for capital and people, and inevitably only ever actually support it for the former. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Why are you so certain on Michigan? Has been romping in due to counting the early ballots last, needed a swing of 0.1 for Biden to take it, currently it's been 1.2 - only 40k behind now, from over 200k earlier. When Nevada confirms tomorrow (again just early mail in ballots to count - should favour Biden) that's Biden at 270 - whatever happens elsewhere. Edited November 4, 2020 by Jareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, sidcow said: Why are you so certain on Michigan? I think people are saying that what's left to count is mainly Wayne County, which is Detroit, and is expected to go heavily Biden. This guy, for instance, seems to think the lead will switch comfortably: (He's the elections guy at the NYT) However, I'm naturally bracing myself for an unpleasant surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 4, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Libertarianism is an intellectually dishonest ideology in my experience. It's generally 'freedom for things I like but restrictions to things I don't like'. More or less, yeah. And it depends what kind of libertarian you are. Right wing libertarian - little or no control of economics (unfettered free market capitalism), but lots of control of 'social' issues (anti-gay,anti-abortion, pro-religion, etc.) Left wing libertarian - state control of economics (high taxes, price controls, nationalised industries, workers' protection), but little interference in social issues (legal abortions, decriminalised drugs, equal rights for gays, etc.) Count me in as a left-libertarian. Edited November 4, 2020 by mjmooney 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Biden now 12k behind in Michigan (from 40k 10 mins ago) it'll be a lead within the hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 LOL japes Don't worry lads, there's no rush. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Biden is looking likely to take Wisconsin and Michigan, given the remaining votes are the mail in votes which massively favours Biden, which combined is 26 collage votes. Add in 11 from Arizona and that will be enough won't it? this could be settled today aside from the obvious legal side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, markavfc40 said: Biden is looking likely to take Wisconsin and Michigan, given the remaining votes are the mail in votes which massively favours Biden, which combined is 26 collage votes. Add in 11 from Arizona and that will be enough won't it? this could be settled today aside from the obvious legal side. Yep could be settled without Nevada and Pennsylvania (which could easily flip to Biden too) It could be a 30/40 win in the end. Edited November 4, 2020 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Libertarianism is an intellectually dishonest ideology in my experience. It's generally 'freedom for things I like but restrictions to things I don't like'. pretty much this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Biden is looking likely to take Wisconsin and Michigan, given the remaining votes are the mail in votes which massively favours Biden, which combined is 26 collage votes. Add in 11 from Arizona and that will be enough won't it? this could be settled today aside from the obvious legal side. Yes. I think in the end it's not going to be *that* close (touch wood). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: LOL japes Don't worry lads, there's no rush. They are moving on to counting the postal votes today and will announce the results tomorrow morning (US time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Yep could be settled without Nevada and Pennsylvania (which could easily flip to Biden too) It could be a 30/40 win in the end. I’m still guesstimating Biden’s EC margin to be 78 votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: They are moving on to counting the postal votes today and will announce the results tomorrow morning (US time). Yes, I'm just teasing. It might even be sensible not to give 350m over-caffeinated people second-by-second updates for the next 24 hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Wisconsin going Blue is huge. 49% each, sheesh man.. Every vote counts there I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted November 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2020 With apologies for contributing to this thread mainly just being endless semi-amusing Twitter-takes... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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