sidcow Posted November 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Na, he's done more for the blacks than Abe Lincoln, that's what he said himself - who am I to say he's wrong? Well done that guy. And not forgetting how he's killing Coronavirus. He truly is the messiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I for one am now 'locked in' to the US election coverage - Trump wins it and the world is quite utterly screwed. At least good old Boris got us nicely placed as Trump's bitch, we'll be better off being on the side of a facist superpower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Got a feeling orange man will lose the popular vote but win it on electoral college votes, like last time. Things will get very tricky for UK if he does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Anybody staying up to watch the results roll in? I know it won’t all be sorted on the night, it just fascinates me, so I’ll be up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 I'll watch some of it probably. Just to see the horror dawn of another 4 years of nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, avfcDJ said: Anybody staying up to watch the results roll in? I know it won’t all be sorted on the night, it just fascinates me, so I’ll be up. Other way around. Bed early and up early, there won’t be much to see* before 3-4am our time because of the time zones. *Except the rioting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I just can’t call it. Trump might sneak it with the electoral college votes... but then also he might get annihilated because of the absolute trail of destruction he’s created this past 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I'm not sure he'll even win the EC, but it just needs to be close enough he can use the SC to steal it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Usually start work at around 5am so will put telly on. Probably CNN as I am a lefty pinko. See the carnage unfurl as the day goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Awol said: Other way around. Bed early and up early, there won’t be much to see* before 3-4am our time because of the time zones. *Except the rioting. I've got some extra work to do on top of my FT job so will just pull an all nighter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 the Trump administration: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Could someone explain how the Electoral College works? I know it holds substantial power over regular individual votes, but what is it? Why does it hold so much sway? why is it a thing? and how come so much is rested on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 When asked on the televised ( live ) candidate debate.His answer to what he thought of white supremacy , his answer was non commital ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, lapal_fan said: Could someone explain how the Electoral College works? I know it holds substantial power over regular individual votes, but what is it? Why does it hold so much sway? why is it a thing? and how come so much is rested on it? Basically a system designed to give relative weight to each of the states in a national election, so Idaho etc still have a meaningful say despite having a much lower population than California, for example. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, Awol said: Basically a system designed to give relative weight to each of the states in a national election, so Idaho etc still have a meaningful say despite having a much lower population than California, for example. Thanks So why's the beef with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, lapal_fan said: Thanks So why's the beef with it? If you voted for Hilary last time and Trump got in, despite her getting 3 million more votes, you might feel cheated. Despite the fact it’s not (and has never been) a system that simply aggregates the popular vote, but is specifically designed to ensure a more geographically (not individually) representative result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Could someone explain how the Electoral College works? I know it holds substantial power over regular individual votes, but what is it? Why does it hold so much sway? why is it a thing? and how come so much is rested on it? Briefly, unlike in France (for example), the US does not have a national presidential vote. Instead, the individual states are awarded a number of 'electors', which roughly reflect the size of the population. The smallest states have 3 electors; California, the largest, has 55. These electors are the people who choose the president. In the vast majority of states, the candidate who receives the majority of the vote statewide receives all of the state's electors (Maine and Nebraska do something slightly different). In most elections, the distinction between the national popular vote (ie, the total vote across the country for each candidate) and the 'electoral college' (the number of electors pledged to each candidate) does not matter, because one candidate wins on both measures. Occasionally, like in 2000 and 2016, a candidate can win by getting more electors but fewer nationwide votes. The relevance of *this* is that Trump has almost no chance of getting more votes this year, across the country, but he has a small-but-slightly-larger chance of getting more electors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 It also disenfranchises 100s of millions of voters on both sides, as well as making it possible that less than 100,000 votes can decide the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Because Hilary Clinton won millions more votes than Trump but still lost to him Edited November 2, 2020 by colhint Sod it Awol beat me to it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Thanks So why's the beef with it? There isn't that much beef with it. The side which loses normally has an issue with it. It can mean that a candidate with fewer votes can win. Like Trump last time and (almost certainly) this time if he wins again. But if you just do it on popular vote then it consolidates nearly all the power with the richer, more populous coastal states and erodes the rights and powers of the individual states. Edited November 2, 2020 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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