NurembergVillan Posted October 23, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) I can't say I know all the ins and outs of USA politics but I have seen highlights from the latest debate and still can't help but think Joe Biden can't be the best the democrats have to offer can he. Just the fact he will be 78 next month so 82 by the time he has finished a first term should have been enough to suggest there should be someone more dynamic and without the baggage Biden has. It reminds me of our recent elections in UK in that a good opposition/opposing leader should be able to wipe the floor with the incumbent government given their failings but the fact that some still think Trump is in with a shout suggests the opposition haven't quite got their act together. Edited October 23, 2020 by markavfc40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I'm just watching the full debate and I like it when one says "you get money from China and Russia, Ukraine and Iran" and the other one goes "no u lol". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I can't say I know all the ins and outs of USA politics but I have seen highlights from the latest debate and still can't help but think Joe Biden can't be the best the democrats have to offer can he. Just the fact he will be 78 next month so 82 by the time he has finished a first term should have been enough to suggest there should be someone more dynamic and without the baggage Biden has. It reminds me of our recent elections in UK in that a good opposition/opposing leader should be able to wipe the floor with the incumbent government given their failings but the fact that some still think Trump is in with a shout suggests the opposition haven't quite got their act together. It seemed like Biden was the most pragmatic choice when it came to attracting the white people that would be put off by having a woman or person of colour. Sad I know, but it is obviously a priority to kick Trump out of the White House and Biden's choice of running mate was more important than usual as you would expect Harris to be most likely to take over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 23, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2020 Most hilarious thing I've heard for a long time was a Republican supporter on the radio this morning accusing Biden of being juvenile. Has he not been listening to Trump for the last four years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted October 23, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2020 I voted Other... As pretty sure whatever happens Nobody will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Thought it worth mentioning that the NBC anchor did a much better job at controlling the debate than the wet lettuce from Fox. Even though they said the mics would be on, one at a time, on a couple of occasions they both spoke and she did well considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Rds1983 said: I voted Other... As pretty sure whatever happens Nobody will win. You need to think more broadly . . . If Biden wins, Beltway think-tank guys will win; if Trump wins, corporate CEOs will win; and whoever wins, corporate lobbyists will win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted October 23, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: You need to think more broadly . . . If Biden wins, Beltway think-tank guys will win; if Trump wins, corporate CEOs will win; and whoever wins, corporate lobbyists will win I'm thinking long term and stand-by my decision that nobody wins out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 18/10/2020 at 13:05, HanoiVillan said: Always a question though, to what extent this is simply cannibalising the election day vote. True, but it looks as though the 2020 vote is going to be significantly higher than the 2016 vote. 50 million votes have now been cast. Around 138m votes last time so well over a third of last time's total already in. The reports I've read suggest they're expecting a 15-20m increase from 2016. And while nothing is set in stone, none of the available information suggests that Trump has significantly increased his support from last time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: True, but it looks as though the 2020 vote is going to be significantly higher than the 2016 vote. 50 million votes have now been cast. Around 138m votes last time so well over a third of last time's total already in. The reports I've read suggest they're expecting a 15-20m increase from 2016. And while nothing is set in stone, none of the available information suggests that Trump has significantly increased his support from last time. Yes, that's a very good point. The scale of early voting is something I hadn't quite got my head around when I wrote that comment. It certainly looks like a very big year for turnout (by US standards). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Another cop not fit for duty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 NYC looks like a fun place atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I’m certainly no fan of Trump and his supporters but you should be able to drive your car or wear supporter gear without being attacked, even if it’s in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted October 26, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 26, 2020 32 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I’m certainly no fan of Trump and his supporters but you should be able to drive your car or wear supporter gear without being attacked, even if it’s in New York. Hmmmmm. It seems very clear to me that they were there to antagonize not to "support." That's where we are sadly, but that was their intent. Could you see a peaceful gay pride parade in Tuscaloosa, AL* ?** *(Insert any pro Trump county) ** as an example 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Hmmmmm. It seems very clear to me that they were there to antagonize not to "support." That's where we are sadly, but that was their intent. Could you see a peaceful gay pride parade in Tuscaloosa, AL* ?** *(Insert any pro Trump county) ** as an example That’s a bit of a dangerous path to go down, justifying or equivocating attacking people who have a different political view to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Hmmmmm. It seems very clear to me that they were there to antagonize not to "support." That's where we are sadly, but that was their intent. Could you see a peaceful gay pride parade in Tuscaloosa, AL* ?** *(Insert any pro Trump county) ** as an example It didnt seem that way to me. They are entitled to support whoever they like. I didnt see them antagonising. Just demonstrating their support for trump. I think its going to be alot closer than the media is making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I think its going to be alot closer than the media is making it out to be Me too but hopefully the margin is big enough to absorb the Trump supporters who keep it secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 37 minutes ago, Genie said: Me too but hopefully the margin is big enough to absorb the Trump supporters who keep it secret. Biden doesnt inspire me much either to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted October 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Biden doesnt inspire me much either to be honest Nah he's a poor choice but the alternative is Trump. It's a choice between either capitalism or capitalism & racism & fascism. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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