fruitvilla Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) Here's a question or two for those that have concerns with the approach the club is taking: 1) How much do you think Carney is worth and how much would you pay him? 2) What affect do you think it would have on Carney's peers? 3) What promises would you make to Carney, if you were the club? 4) What do you think Carney's future value could be? And multiply that by the probability. and 5) Are these risks worth it? Edited July 13, 2022 by fruitvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, hippo said: Buying our way into Europe looks beyond us right now - the only feasible is to buy as best we can and supplement it with our home grown talent. Not sure how showing Carney the door progress s us to be honest He's showing himself the door. If he signed the contract, he'd be in the first team squad and feeding the kangaroos and koalas now. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: eh he got an assist in a different game plus nearly got an equaliser vs City Is a lot of bitterness from people on here that they are making up that he just came on and did nothing when he played last season I’m not bitter. I have been consistent in my opinion of him all season. I think he’s half decent on the ball but needs to learn off it. I genuinely hope he stays but won’t lose any sleep when he leaves, that’s football. If he was a good as Gareth Barry was at 17 I would be far more disappointed. You see a lot more in his game than I do, I respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: He's showing himself the door. If he signed the contract, he'd be in the first team squad and feeding the kangaroos and koalas now. Hopefully he gets FOMO and puts pen to paper Newcastle media jumping on it because they need clicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted July 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2022 Seems like he thinks he's better than he is at this point. Not the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, fruitvilla said: Here's a question or two for those that have concerns with the approach the club is taking: 1) How much do you think Carney is worth and how much would you pay him? 2) What affect do you think it would it have on Carney's peers? 3) What promises would you make to Carney, if you were the club? 4) What do you think Carney's future value could be? And multiply that by the probability. and 5) Are these risks worth it? 1) I'd pay him based on his squad role which for me is overtaking Nakamba and Sanson so starting at £30k working it's way up incrementally over the course of the 5 years so that potentially by the end of the 5 years based on development he'd be on say £50-60k 2) positive, pay youngsters based on role not on potential or on age, if Tim or KKH or Barry or Ramsey thought they were then underpaid they're looking at loans next season not the bench, pay people based on what they do not who they are or what they might be, if we think he's got 20 games in him next season then pay him like a 20 game PL player not like a kid 3) none 4) if he went to say Chelsea or man City now by the time he's 21 he's a £20m-30m player without ever needing to kick a ball for them,that magical top 6 reserve player value, or goes to Dortmund and comes back it'll be the same, what's madueke after 3 years at PSV, £40-50m? The PL is filthy rich and someone will pay it 5) yes, we will pay dross more, deadwood will "earn" more If villas masterplan is the academy then pay the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, WHY said: I’m not bitter. I have been consistent in my opinion of him all season. I think he’s half decent on the ball but needs to learn off it. I genuinely hope he stays but won’t lose any sleep when he leaves, that’s football. If he was a good as Gareth Barry was at 17 I would be far more disappointed. You see a lot more in his game than I do, I respect that. Ditto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryBarrPet Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: Here's a question or two for those that have concerns with the approach the club is taking: 1) How much do you think Carney is worth and how much would you pay him? 2) What affect do you think it would have on Carney's peers? 3) What promises would you make to Carney, if you were the club? 4) What do you think Carney's future value could be? And multiply that by the probability. and 5) Are these risks worth it? Simple answer to all of this. Chuk is coming through our youth system along with several other good prospects. Chuk is not the finished article - whatever he thinks - so he gets treated just the same as the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshharris12 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Up for sale according to latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, joshharris12 said: Up for sale according to latest Latest what? Does the club have a live news update on events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, Xela said: He's showing himself the door. If he signed the contract, he'd be in the first team squad and feeding the kangaroos and koalas now. Aye he could have been loving on roos and Koala's. Instead he made this happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshharris12 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Latest what? Does the club have a live news update on events? Being reported now he’s up for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Latest what? Does the club have a live news update on events? Its also 6am in Australia, I imagine Purslow and Lange are probably with the club down there to be announcing transfer news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, villa4europe said: archer won't score 10 goals in his first 10 games and make the WC squad Don’t talk crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 It's Tom Collomosse that hs said we're 'open to selling' him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, joshharris12 said: Being reported now he’s up for sale Well thats obvious by being left at home and hom not signing a new contract. What else were we going to do with him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) Spotted... Edited July 13, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 He's a very silly boy. As if he's getting more game time at any bigger club than Villa Where do these kids get their notions. Remember back when footballers had to earn the right to act the billy big ballix? Oh, those halcyon days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 The argument that he hasn't shown anything on the pitch to me makes little sense, he's not an impact player but he looked decent in a couple of games and lost in a few others, if you look back at when Ramsey first started to make appearances, many wrote him off instantly. I don't think his quality is under question, whoever he plays for he is going to be one hell of a player and just because it might not be for us, pretending otherwise is comedy. I would imagine he has already told Gerrard he is leaving/wants to leave or his 'representative from God' has made it clear he won't sign, it seems likely he is bought into a narrative that he should already be starting week in week out and will get this at another club. It could be about money and the prestige of a bigger club but this seems unlikely if you read about him and his character. It's very sad, but part and parcel of football, rarely happens to us so stings massively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: The argument that he hasn't shown anything on the pitch to me makes little sense, he's not an impact player but he looked decent in a couple of games and lost in a few others, if you look back at when Ramsey first started to make appearances, many wrote him off instantly. I don't think his quality is under question, whoever he plays for he is going to be one hell of a player and just because it might not be for us, pretending otherwise is comedy. I would imagine he has already told Gerrard he is leaving/wants to leave or his 'representative from God' has made it clear he won't sign, it seems likely he is bought into a narrative that he should already be starting week in week out and will get this at another club. It could be about money and the prestige of a bigger club but this seems unlikely if you read about him and his character. It's very sad, but part and parcel of football, rarely happens to us so stings massively. Well whatever the reason, weather it’s money, or playing time. The lines been drawn in the sand. Over to Carney now, he either signs and stays, or doesn’t and is sold. Looking like the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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