rjw63 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: A couple of hundred bets over the period isn't really a gambling addiction. They are only the ones you know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, rjw63 said: They are only the ones you know about. Exactly, and because it’s an FA investigation we only know about the football bets. There are a million other things to bet on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted May 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: A couple of hundred bets over the period isn't really a gambling addiction. the only way this doctor could've diagnosed the addiction is by asking him questions brentford: ivan, your ban will be reduced by 3 months if you're addicted to gambling doctor: so ivan, do you wake up and think about betting? "yes doc", have you tried to stop gambling before and not been able to? "yes doc" trust me, i know that gambling addiction is a very real problem...i just have my doubts here on the basis that his ban was reduced because he allegedly has one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted May 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2023 35 minutes ago, Genie said: Everyone loses eventually (apart from the bookies). not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AndyM3000 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Could be ones we don't know about but it doesn't sound like a gambling addiction just off that alone. It's not a lot of bets over that time period, where's the 10 fold accas full of South American teams he's never heard of it? He bet on himself to score/win when he played and bet on his team to lose when he wasn't playing. He backs himself, nothing indicates any match fixing at all and yet this would have got a longer ban than using drugs if it wasn't for the gambling addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 They have only released the football bets and have stated that he bets on multiple other sports including casino. If he is spending a considerable amount of his money on bets then that is an issue. Obviously doctors etc have been involved and he has been diagnosed, not sure why people feel the need to query someones addiction with limited information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted May 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: They have only released the football bets and have stated that he bets on multiple other sports including casino. If he is spending a considerable amount of his money on bets then that is an issue. Obviously doctors etc have been involved and he has been diagnosed, not sure why people feel the need to query someones addiction with limited information. because he received a lesser ban as a result of this alleged addiction. just smells fishy that's all. also someone earning his sort of money will likely be making reasonable sized stakes which, if done with the frequency of an addict, will likely raise suspicions with the bookmakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted May 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, YLN said: Gambling is only a problem if you lose But The House always wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villatillidie95 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 BBC Sportsday reporter said he passed on confidential team news to third parties beforehand....what a prat! You don't know who will get hold of that info, as a fan it would be annoying to know that teams could have advance warning of the opposition! In the prem you cant afford to do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Villatillidie95 said: BBC Sportsday reporter said he passed on confidential team news to third parties beforehand....what a prat! You don't know who will get hold of that info, as a fan it would be annoying to know that teams could have advance warning of the opposition! In the prem you cant afford to do that What an idiot. If he wasn't such a valuable asset, he should have his contract terminated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 38 minutes ago, tomav84 said: because he received a lesser ban as a result of this alleged addiction. just smells fishy that's all. also someone earning his sort of money will likely be making reasonable sized stakes which, if done with the frequency of an addict, will likely raise suspicions with the bookmakers i would love to know the sums involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 23 minutes ago, Villatillidie95 said: BBC Sportsday reporter said he passed on confidential team news to third parties beforehand....what a prat! You don't know who will get hold of that info, as a fan it would be annoying to know that teams could have advance warning of the opposition! In the prem you cant afford to do that If that's true then the ban should have been longer That's one shy of throwing games for me My hierarchy of punishment would be match fixing > leaking info > betting on your own team > betting on other teams I thought he was guilty of the lowest thing which doesn't really bother me too much 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villatillidie95 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 also betted on his own team to lose 13 times according to sky sports news, including 7 fixtures when he wasnt playing. 15 bets on himself to score in 9 different matches, which have a penalty of 6 months to lifetime ban apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: That.......doesn't seem entirely wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Reading the details of the bets make this punishment seem unduly lenient. Should have the book thrown at him. I wonder what is actually involved in diagnosing someone as a gambling addict. It seems like something it'd be fairly trivial to persuade a professional you have if you have an interest in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted May 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Reading the details of the bets make this punishment seem unduly lenient. Should have the book thrown at him. I wonder what is actually involved in diagnosing someone as a gambling addict. It seems like something it'd be fairly trivial to persuade a professional you have if you have an interest in doing so. i imagine it's similar to the questions that bookies are mandated to periodically ask to check you're NOT an addict "do you wake up and think of gambling" "have you attempted to stop gambling before" "do you chase losses" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, tomav84 said: i imagine it's similar to the questions that bookies are mandated to periodically ask to check you're NOT an addict "do you wake up and think of gambling" "have you attempted to stop gambling before" "do you chase losses" When they ask him about his income and he tells them he’s on £80,000 a week they can keep taking his money with a clear conscious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Betting against his own club even if didnt play should really be a ban for life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 26, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 26, 2023 It's one thing to bet on things your tangentially connected to, such as other games in your sport (though that is a bad move still and I can't imagine any sporting body would be happy with it) but betting against your own team... Ugh. That suggests a mindset that's only a very short hop away from influencing the outcome of a bet through your own actions. They should have been far harsher in the punishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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