chrisp65 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, LondonLax said: I suppose it comes down to whether you are more afraid of the vaccine or the virus but the decision is ultimately driven by fear either way Option 3: suspicious of big government? Just for clarity here, I’m double jabbed and in for the flu jab in 2 weeks. I just think we might not see all the reasons all the people have for doing anything. Something Brexit has taught me. Don’t presume you understand the reasons for someone else’s actions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: When there are no vaccinated people in hospital we'll talk. Cool. I guess because it's possible to develop lung cancer without smoking, smoking doesn't cause lung cancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Option 3: suspicious of big government? It would have to be every government on the planet… and doctors, scientists, professors etc. Are they all in on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 1, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: When there are no vaccinated people in hospital we'll talk. If 100% of the population was vaccinated, there would still be cases, hospitalisation and deaths ( though far, far, fewer). We know that vaccination improves stats and outcomes around the virus. It protects individuals and those they come into contact with. Not totally, but very significantly. People with no medical reason not to get vaccinated are entitled not to do so, but they are risking their health and that of others. The extent of that risk is lower for the very young, but above children, it’s real. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Genie said: It would have to be every government on the planet… and doctors, scientists, professors etc. Are they all in on it? They don’t have to be ‘in on’ anything. They just might be wrong. Has a government or a medical establishment ever been wrong about anything significant? Has a government ever undertaken a course of action that had unforeseen consequences? It doesn’t have to be an international conspiracy theory, those are the pricks threatening people in the street. Other people might just be cautious about accepting the orthodoxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 The anti-vax mob are a bit like tax dodgers aren’t they, as long as enough other people pay tax then it’ll be alright for them to enjoy the schooling, NHS, emergency services etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2021 As said before, my girlfriend isn't vaccinated. She has (unsubstantiated) concerns about the effect of the vaccine long term on things like potential future children and pregnancy. She's basically unprepared to take a step she cannot take back that she doesn't have complete confidence in. I suspect she's not unusual. It's completely unfounded, but there's no movement in her on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheAuthority Posted November 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Then there is the current craze for aggressive crackpot protest, be it Protect The Statues, 5G mind control, Anti Vaxx, all that shit. That’s different, that’s where we should have more computer controlled automatic weapons and sterilization vans. FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: It's what fear does to people. No, it's what their hard earned tax payments being pissed away does to people. It's the completely irrational fear of people which is making is get pissed away. Edited November 1, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) Just on the alcoholics and diabetics being punished for lifestyle, I'm sorry but that is a different thing. There is no magic bullet for those things. It's often a psychological thing. I am diabetic. I do eat bad stuff and don't exercise enough, I know that. I do try, go on health kicks etc but it's hard to keep if up, I'm not mentally strong and disciplined enough. I tell you what though, if there was a magic pill that I could take to change my mindset I would 100% take it. And would I trumpet that others should be offered to take it or lose their free prescriptions? Yes I bloody well would. And as already stated earlier alcoholics ARE punished with high taxes, smokers the same. Sugar is being increasingly taxed. I'm not saying anyone should be FORCED to take it but if you wilfully ignore the free help offered I think there should be some kind of contribution for your treatment. Edited November 1, 2021 by sidcow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 1, 2021 As an aside, can someone invent a pill that makes me want to eat healthily and exercise more please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, bickster said: "That's 26 people still dying who have been vaccinated - it obviously doesn't work". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 3 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Option 3: suspicious of big government? Just for clarity here, I’m double jabbed and in for the flu jab in 2 weeks. I just think we might not see all the reasons all the people have for doing anything. Something Brexit has taught me. Don’t presume you understand the reasons for someone else’s actions. Whatever the reasons are, they're selfish clearings in the woods. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I know a person that refuses to have the jab because she says it has not been tested for long enough on humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2021 15 hours ago, bobzy said: "That's 26 people still dying who have been vaccinated - it obviously doesn't work". It drives me mental that this is genuinely what some people think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 2, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It drives me mental that this is genuinely what some people think Whatever you do, do not read the replies to that tweet. There's some really stupid responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: I know a person that refuses to have the jab because she says it has not been tested for long enough on humans. You think it has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 2, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dante_Lockhart said: You think it has? How long do you think the testing should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, bickster said: How long do you think the testing should be? Discovery and research, testing, trials, more trials, manufacture, quality control. Usually takes anything from 5 to 15 years? This was a year start to finish IIRC. The vaccine rollout WAS the trials in my opinion. Forgive me for thinking corners have been cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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