Racism Part two

[Demitri_C]

4 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

No, I label things that I think are weird as weird. 

A transfer speculation thread and a post about being outraged about something racist that hasn't happened and won't happen aren't remotely the same thing, Dem.

I think outraged is a bit strong as i havent been outraged at this just highlighting my opinion on the subject.

Both are still forms of speculation so i dont think they differ in this instance.  

[Keyblade]

5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I think outraged is a bit strong as i havent been outraged at this just highlighting my opinion on the subject.

Both are still forms of speculation so i dont think they differ in this instance.  

It's a weird thing to speculate about and then get annoyed about. It's like getting mad at what some obviously fake ITK on Twitter has said about the club. It didn't happen.

[Stevo985]

30 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I think outraged is a bit strong as i havent been outraged at this just highlighting my opinion on the subject.

Ok maybe outrage is strong but you've clearly been annoyed by something that is essentially made up

31 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Both are still forms of speculation so i dont think they differ in this instance.  

I don't think they're remotely the same thing. Speculating on whether Villa will sign Joe Bloggs is a far less trivial thing than speculating that a company is being racist (in your eyes)

[chrisp65]

54 minutes ago, veloman said:

For what it is worth, I think you have picked an excellent example. I watch Bargain Hunt regularly as I have an  interest in British pottery (my wife worked in the Potteries before moving to civilisation ). One would hope that the 'experts' had in-depth knowledge of antiques with maybe specialist knowledge in specific areas. The BBC have discovered a bloke called Danny Sebastian who appears to be a glorified market trader/car booter; when asked for an opinion, he just reads out what is on the label of the item - but ticks the Diversity box. However there are three other non white experts who are excellent; an Asian (possibly Indian) lady who knows a lot about jewellery, a possibly Chinese man who knows a lot about antiques from that area and another Asian (Raj Bisram) who has good knowledge on most things. Horses for courses I think. 

Ok, to make it clear, I have no knowledge of the recruitment policy for Antiques Roadshow.

I was trying to show how ridiculous it would be for me to get upset about something that hasn’t happened where I wouldn’t be privy to the recruitment criteria and argue for or against a completely made up scenario. That people would be ‘worried’ the next presenter might be inferior AND black to complete a tick box is really quite revealing of how minds work. Protesting you are not racist when you are worried about the race angle of something you know nothing about? Why not be worried if the next presenter wears velvet? Or has a criminal record? Or is yet another Oxbridge type?

I don’t know who Danny Sebastian is, I don’t know what the criteria was for him getting the gob. Do you know it was ticking a diversity box? Or did they feel they required a non-expert ‘person of the people’? Did they want one presenter who would have less of a clue than the viewing punter at home and thus spark debate? Why presume it was diversity that got him the job? Have you any knowledge of the job description or what the interview process was? Perhaps they wanted someone a bit ‘Lovejoy’ and he was the closest example? Or someone a bit, I dunno, a different sounding voice someone that was or wasn’t plummy or cockney or scottish or whatever he is.

Why see a black person and presume they got the job because they were black and they weren’t the best but it ticked a box? Not least, when all the evidence around you suggests the opposite, most black people don’t get jobs, because they are black.

So even if he did get pushed to the front as some sort of positive discrimination, perhaps we actually need a bit of that, so the employer in the office and the car showroom and the wool shop gets used to seeing black faces and next time, considers employing someone a bit more black, on an equal footing with any other person.  

[Demitri_C]

29 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

It's a weird thing to speculate about and then get annoyed about. It's like getting mad at what some obviously fake ITK on Twitter has said about the club. It didn't happen.

Who is annoyed? I certainly am not outraged or angry. If your referring tk other people on social media then i cant comment on that as i havent read the comments and not really interested.  People can express their opinions right or wrong. Social media always seems to be outrage about something.

7 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Ok maybe outrage is strong but you've clearly been annoyed by something that is essentially made up

I don't think they're remotely the same thing. Speculating on whether Villa will sign Joe Bloggs is a far less trivial thing than speculating that a company is being racist (in your eyes)

No not annoyed just raising a subject debate on this platform. 

I didnt say it was racist just there would be outrage if they were alk black which is true. Social media would go into meltdown.

[Stevo985]

Just now, Demitri_C said:

Who is annoyed? I certainly am not outraged or angry. If your referring tk other people on social media then i cant comment on that as i havent read the comments and not really interested.  People can express their opinions right or wrong. Social media always seems to be outrage about something.

No not annoyed just raising a subject debate on this platform. 

I didnt say it was racist just there would be outrage if they were alk black which is true. Social media would go into meltdown.

Never mind, Dem. I can't be bothered  

[Keyblade]

6 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Who is annoyed? I certainly am not outraged or angry. If your referring tk other people on social media then i cant comment on that as i havent read the comments and not really interested.  People can express their opinions right or wrong. Social media always seems to be outrage about something.

No not annoyed just raising a subject debate on this platform. 

I didnt say it was racist just there would be outrage if they were alk black which is true. Social media would go into meltdown.

Isn't that weird though, why would it go into meltdown? There seemed to be no issue when they were all white

[veloman]

24 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

 Or has a criminal record? 

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Yep , he has that too; 4 years. Perhaps that was the criteria then !

[Demitri_C]

1 hour ago, Keyblade said:

Isn't that weird though, why would it go into meltdown? There seemed to be no issue when they were all white

Not weird just questionable in my eyes

[Vive_La_Villa]

2 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

To be honest it shouldn't even be a criteria.

You don't have to have played the game at all to be able to analyse and talk about football. I'd argue you're probably better at it if you HAVEN'T played the game.

That's not to say ex-players don't have a punditry role. They CAN be pundits. But for me the ex player should be the pundit you have to give the perspective of what it's like from a player's point of view. Not necessarily leading the tactical analysis

Why do you think that? 

I know people that dismiss people’s comments on football because they’ve never played for. It’s quite ridiculous really but it’s probably what would happen if Premier League pundits had never played at a high level for.  The general consensus from a lot of fans when they hear something they don’t like would be ‘what the f**k does he knows’, he was a shit player’!  
 

We all know how precious fans are about criticism of their team or players.

[Vive_La_Villa]

A friend of mine thinks Asians will bear the brunt of company recruitment policies following the BLM movement. I.e. where an Asian and black candidate apply for the same role and are equally qualified the black candidate will get the role to balance out how diversified a company is. 

I don’t agree with this at all. Think it’s a bit of a far fetched view.

[Keyblade]

8 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

A friend of mine thinks Asians will bear the brunt of company recruitment policies following the BLM movement. I.e. where an Asian and black candidate apply for the same role and are equally qualified the black candidate will get the role to balance out how diversified a company is. 

I don’t agree with this at all. Think it’s a bit of a far fetched view.

Why would a black candidate be more beneficial to diversity than an Asian? Don't they both fall under the BAME category?

[Vive_La_Villa]

15 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

Why would a black candidate be more beneficial to diversity than an Asian? Don't they both fall under the BAME category?

Because apparently there are already quite a lot of more Asians working in offices in relation to black candidates. So rather than lower than number of white employees they will cut the Asians instead. As I said, pretty far fetched.

[Keyblade]

Just now, Vive_La_Villa said:

Because apparently there are already quite a lot of more Asians working in offices in relation to black candidates. So rather than lower than number of white employees they will cut the Asians instead. As I said, pretty far fetched.

They shouldn't even be cutting people in favour of others, that only makes the problem worse. They just need to stop their racist hiring practices.

[Stevo985]

1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Why do you think that? 

I know people that dismiss people’s comments on football because they’ve never played for. It’s quite ridiculous really but it’s probably what would happen if Premier League pundits had never played at a high level for.  The general consensus from a lot of fans when they hear something they don’t like would be ‘what the f**k does he knows’, he was a shit player’!  
 

We all know how precious fans are about criticism of their team or players.

Because you’re not influenced by who you know and teams you played for and players you played with and mates who still play or manage in the game. 
 

You are effectively totally neutral and that would be reflected in your analysis. 
 

In theory of course 

[Sam-AVFC]

4 hours ago, veloman said:

For what it is worth, I think you have picked an excellent example. I watch Bargain Hunt regularly as I have an  interest in British pottery (my wife worked in the Potteries before moving to civilisation ). One would hope that the 'experts' had in-depth knowledge of antiques with maybe specialist knowledge in specific areas. The BBC have discovered a bloke called Danny Sebastian who appears to be a glorified market trader/car booter; when asked for an opinion, he just reads out what is on the label of the item - but ticks the Diversity box. However there are three other non white experts who are excellent; an Asian (possibly Indian) lady who knows a lot about jewellery, a possibly Chinese man who knows a lot about antiques from that area and another Asian (Raj Bisram) who has good knowledge on most things. Horses for courses I think. 

I've not watched it for years, but considering how shit the auctioneers and show owners are at turning a profit on there it wouldn't surprise me at all if a 'glorified car booter' is better at finding deals at car boot sales.

[NurembergVillan]

12 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Not sure this is the thread for it, but I'm baffled by the lack of good pundits in England considering the size of the sport there. 

As evidenced with Brexit, this is a country that values easily-digestible bullshit over insight.

[Davkaus]

Depressing reading.

 

https://www.eppingforestguardian.co.uk/news/18676559.councillor-says-epping-ideally-whites-town/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR3ffab_uVQAPHEhSpGATH2zfphxAY27Q6_lisseNGblQnX96v6lfmwAarI

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An Epping Forest District councillor has endorsed the idea of Epping being a whites-only town.

Cllr Julian Leppert, of far-right party For Britain, says he does not want Epping to become a ‘Tower Hamlets’ in Essex and said it would be ‘ideal’ if Epping were for white people only.

The Waltham Abbey Paternoster ward councillor has been orchestrating – along with party ‘fixer’ Eddy Butler – a campaign against asylum seekers temporarily housed by the Home Office at The Bell Hotel in Epping during the coronavirus pandemic.

The councillor, who has appeared on BBC radio and Russia Today, to discuss the issue, told The Guardian: “We don’t want a Tower Hamlets out in Essex. It’s difficult to put it that way without being called a racist, but we’re entitled to our national identity as much as any other country. We shouldn’t have dominant other cultures imposed on us to the point where you no longer feel at home,” he said.

When The Guardian asked if he was advocating a whites-only enclave on the edge of London, Leppert replied: “Ideally, yeah.”

Cllr Holly Whitbread, who has led the council’s response to Cllr Leppert’s campaign, said: “They [the asylum seekers] are not a threat to local people and I would appeal to everyone to leave them in peace while the government deals with their claims.”

However, Mr Butler and Cllr Leppert show no signs of slowing down their efforts to whip up anti-asylum seeker sentiment in the town.

The pair, who often erroneously refer to the asylum seekers as ‘illegal immigrants’, continue to run their campaign on social media.

Previously, in a video posted to Youtube, Mr Butler and Cllr Leppert had made unfounded claims the arrival of asylum seekers had led to a spike in crime. Essex Police have said this is categorically untrue.

The pair were also previously accused of fake news after claiming Loughton food charity 3Food4U was diverting supplies ‘away from locals’ to the asylum seekers at the hotel – carity director Pesh Kapasiawala has labelled the “inaccurate and false”.

 

There's not a big turnout for local elections like this, but this guy got 40% of the vote. It's important to turn out for local elections and stop these nutters gaining any semblance of power. 

[StefanAVFC]

18 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

Depressing reading.

 

https://www.eppingforestguardian.co.uk/news/18676559.councillor-says-epping-ideally-whites-town/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR3ffab_uVQAPHEhSpGATH2zfphxAY27Q6_lisseNGblQnX96v6lfmwAarI

There's not a big turnout for local elections like this, but this guy got 40% of the vote. It's important to turn out for local elections and stop these nutters gaining any semblance of power. 

I'm sure there's no Venn diagram between these nutters and not following any virus guidelines...

Oh...

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The number Covid cases in Epping is twice that of the next most seriously hit district in Essex, though they are not high enough to signal an outbreak.

As of Sunday, 9 August, the total number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Essex was 5,766, a rate of 387.2 cases per 100,000 people.

There have been a total of 1,399 coronavirus-related deaths registered in Essex up to the week ending July 31.

There have been 502 cases in Epping Forest altogether - corresponding to 381.2 per 100,000 people.

 

[HanoiVillan]

'The councillor, who has appeared on BBC radio and Russia Today, to discuss the issue, told The Guardian: “We don’t want a Tower Hamlets out in Essex. It’s difficult to put it that way without being called a racist'

You don't say.