tonyh29 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: We're getting lost in words here - feels like classic messageboarding. I read the initial quote as saying "he was a pro-Brexit activist who killed her in the name of Brexit [his cause]". My understanding is that he did kill Jo Cox in the name of his cause, white supremacy, and also that he was (or likely to be) pro-Brexit. It's a subtle distinction, but seems to be what we're caught up on. I suspect you are right re wording , but I think your interpretation only really stands up if you were arguing that Brexit was about white supremacy , which I don't think anyone is going to attempt to make that case ..are they ? Nothing came out in the trial that Brexit WAS his cause or that he was pro-Brexit , though I agree its almost 100% certain he was .. In the context of other discussions about movements and its aims being misrepresented , I believe my point is a valid one .. Though clearly others don't His "cause" was that of a white nationalist anti-Semitic , and to paraphrase Mr Self , whilst every White nationalist and anti-Semite in the country pretty much probably voted for Brexit... that doesn't make him a pro-Brexit activist able to murder a sitting MP in the name of his cause. Its emotive and I think when emotions run high people aren't seeing what's written on the screen in front of them , but what they think they are seeing .. Nothing I've posted is excusing the murder or denying it was politically motivated . Edited July 16, 2020 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2020 @tonyh29ignoring the "activist" and "pro-brexit" aspects of the initial statement by whoever made it. You appear to agree it was a politically motivated assassination which really was the main crux of the statement in the first place, so can we just agree that we actually agree because this whole thing is burying itself in a silly semantic argument tbh, when the whole point was that political assassinations are perfectly possible, Jo Cox was just one example close to home 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: I suspect you are right re wording , but I think your interpretation only really stands up if you were arguing that Brexit was about white supremacy , which I don't think anyone is going to attempt to make that case ..are they ? Nothing came out in the trial that Brexit WAS his cause or that he was pro-Brexit , though I agree its almost 100% certain he was .. In the context of other discussions about movements and its aims being misrepresented , I believe my point is a valid one .. Though clearly others don't His "cause" was that of a white nationalist anti-Semitic , and to paraphrase Mr Self , whilst every White nationalist and anti-Semite in the country pretty much probably voted for Brexit... that doesn't make him a pro-Brexit activist able to murder a sitting MP in the name of his cause. Its emotive and I think when emotions run high people aren't seeing what's written on the screen in front of them , but what they think they are seeing .. Nothing I've posted is excusing the murder or denying it was politically motivated . We're saying the same thing here. Or at least I'm trying to say what you just did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted July 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, bickster said: @tonyh29ignoring the "activist" and "pro-brexit" aspects of the initial statement by whoever made it. You appear to agree it was a politically motivated assassination which really was the main crux of the statement in the first place, so can we just agree that we actually agree because this whole thing is burying itself in a silly semantic argument tbh, when the whole point was that political assassinations are perfectly possible, Jo Cox was just one example close to home Don't tell me you're anti-semantic too?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 13 hours ago, avfcDJ said: Graham t, do you fit tow bars? No I retired at 60 and live comfortably off my pension thanks, what do you do? VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 P.S. If you need any investment advice, then I'm you man, keep smiling, VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, bickster said: @tonyh29ignoring the "activist" and "pro-brexit" aspects of the initial statement by whoever made it. You appear to agree it was a politically motivated assassination which really was the main crux of the statement in the first place, so can we just agree that we actually agree because this whole thing is burying itself in a silly semantic argument tbh, when the whole point was that political assassinations are perfectly possible, Jo Cox was just one example close to home That fair enough(ish) tbh it was only the responses my post received that meant it needed further addressing so I blame the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 hours ago, bickster said: Do we? You really should stop assuming what others think Is it fair to think you and one or two others on here voted for Corbyn? That went well didn't it.... VLD. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 16, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Graham t said: No I retired at 60 and live comfortably off my pension thanks, what do you do? VLD. 4 minutes ago, Graham t said: P.S. If you need any investment advice, then I'm you man, keep smiling, VLD. We get it. You're a rich old bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: We get it. You're a rich old bloke. I'm not 'rich' I'm 'comfortable ' thanks, keep smiling, VLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Graham t said: Is it fair to think you and one or two others on here voted for Corbyn? That went well didn't it.... VLD. I'd recommend searching posts by bickster with 'Corbyn' in them. You'll see it isn't fair to assume that. At least you can see the outcome was a shit show. Depressingly predictable the way this lot would go to. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted July 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2020 Bickster is definitely a Corbyn fanboy. Definitely, constantly going on about how awesome he is. Before the election and after, it was embarrassing. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The state of it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 It's not even like Jo Cox is the only example. A man is currently serving a life sentence for plotting to assassinate Rosie Cooper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: It's not even like Jo Cox is the only example. A man is currently serving a life sentence for plotting to assassinate Rosie Cooper. Group of Nazis arrested last month for a terrorist plot too.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Group of Nazis arrested last month for a terrorist plot too.0 Just been thinking about it. If we say a typical parliament is five years (obviously the last five years hasn't seen just one parliament, but it is the 'normal' length) then with one Labour MP assassinated and another the target of a very serious attempt, and an average of not much more than 200 Labour MPs, there has been around a 1% chance of Labour MPs being the victim of an assassination plot in this five year period. That's before we get to Dawn Butler having to close her constituency office due to constant threats, or Owen Jones being assaulted by far right goons while on a night out, or or or. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I look forward to the next ten pages of this thread discussing the Dambusters dog gravestone change.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, stuart_75 said: I look forward to the next ten pages of this thread discussing the Dambusters dog gravestone change.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Pull the pin and RUN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 17, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted July 17, 2020 Change the name in the film? No, absolutely not. Remove the name from the gravestone? Yeah, good idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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