tom_avfc Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: My girlfriend summed it up yesterday when she asked what the Y word is and then saying she’d never even heard it before: I doubt I’d have heard it if it weren’t for Spurs, total storm in a teacup this one. I'm not sure that whether your girlfriend has heard of it before is a great gauge of whether a word should be being used or not to be honest. I kind of get the initial appropriation of the word by Spurs fans in response to regular anti-semitic abuse that they were getting. However I think there is definitely an argument that they shouldn't continue to refer to themselves using the Y word now that the club is no longer targeted for anti-semitic abuse on a regular basis. If Jewish people are offended by the word being chanted repeatedly then I think its right that the issue is raised and not just written off as a "storm in a teacup". As an aside I'd like them to stop doing it anyway as its pretty annoying every time they score a goal to get that standard reaction. Reminds me of the "Siu" reaction to Ronaldo, the Poznan and Albion's "Boing Boing". Standard goal responses like this are almost as annoying as goal music itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: Mark Bosnich says hi I would have been 11 when he left Villa so it's not something I recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: I would have been 11 when he left Villa so it's not something I recall He basically did a nazi salute at the Spurs fans. I'd post the pic but it's probably considered a bit unsavoury to share, should be googleable though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, tom_avfc said: I'm not sure that whether your girlfriend has heard of it before is a great gauge of whether a word should be being used or not to be honest. I kind of get the initial appropriation of the word by Spurs fans in response to regular anti-semitic abuse that they were getting. However I think there is definitely an argument that they shouldn't continue to refer to themselves using the Y word now that the club is no longer targeted for anti-semitic abuse on a regular basis. If Jewish people are offended by the word being chanted repeatedly then I think its right that the issue is raised and not just written off as a "storm in a teacup". As an aside I'd like them to stop doing it anyway as its pretty annoying every time they score a goal to get that standard reaction. Reminds me of the "Siu" reaction to Ronaldo, the Poznan and Albion's "Boing Boing". Standard goal responses like this are almost as annoying as goal music itself. That’s all fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 35 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: He basically did a nazi salute at the Spurs fans. I'd post the pic but it's probably considered a bit unsavoury to share, should be googleable though. I was about 8 or 9 at the time without any idea about and anything and I did it at the school yard the next day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: My mate at uni is Jewish and a Spurs fan. Always referred to himself and them as Y words. I never thought anything of it or got the link when I was 18. He introduced me to a girl he knew who was always a Spurs fan and I said something like "Ah so you're a y word then". Fair to say I established the link from the look she gave me. The end of that post brought to mind another 'y word', 'yikes!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted February 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2022 19 hours ago, Keyblade said: I think Chelsea/West Ham fans have chanted some anti-Semitic stuff when they faced Spurs in the past. A take on the Chas and Dave song 'Spurs are on the way to Wembley' regarding Hitler and the chambers. Was belted out of the Shed (when it was standing and the Chelsea main end) when I attended Chelsea Spurs game donkeys years ago. Spurs also belted out Y** Army constantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted February 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Mark Bosnich says hi more Heil than Hi if I remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted February 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Wainy316 said: My mate at uni is Jewish and a Spurs fan. Always referred to himself and them as Y words. I never thought anything of it or got the link when I was 18. He introduced me to a girl he knew who was always a Spurs fan and I said something like "Ah so you're a y word then". Fair to say I established the link from the look she gave me. Always nice to know how people met their wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) Offence is a strange thing ... words gain magical powers to cause offence. The so-called offensive "y" word is derived from the language of Yiddish. If people started chanting "Jew" instead (same meaning) and meant it in offence, would we cancel the word Jew? If people mean to cause offence they are being offensive; if not, then some are finding offence where there is none. Today's episode of Sesame street was going to be sponsored by the letter N, but has been cancelled because some unacceptable words begin with the letter "N" Edited February 11, 2022 by fruitvilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: Offence is a strange thing ... words gain magical powers to cause offence. The so-called offensive "y" word is derived from the language of Yiddish. If people started chanting "Jew" instead (same meaning) and meant it in offence, would we cancel the word Jew? If people mean to cause offence they are being offensive; if not, then some are finding offence where there is none. Today's episode of Sesame street was going to be sponsored by the letter N, but has been cancelled because some unacceptable words begin with the letter "N" Context matters of course. The P word for example looks like it's just short for Pakistani, but obviously it's used derogatorily...hence the offence. You can't strip all historical context from a word and then say "well I wasn't trying to be offensive". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Keyblade said: Pakistani, but obviously it's used derogatorily By some people ... The word itself is not magical. I was just talking to an Australian, he was saying that in Australia the term Balts used to be used derogatorily. It is the correct term for people from the Baltics. No matter how much someone might refer to me as a Balt, I won't take offence. The fact they are trying to be offensive is their problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 It gets complicated when "people of colour" can use the n word to each other as a greeting, but no 'white' person can even breath the word. If it is deemed derogatory surely it should not be used in any context by anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, fruitvilla said: By some people ... The word itself is not magical. I was just talking to an Australian, he was saying that in Australia the term Balts used to be used derogatorily. It is the correct term for people from the Baltics. No matter how much someone might refer to me as a Balt, I won't take offence. The fact they are trying to be offensive is their problem. I can't speak about Australia, but with the P-word in Britain in particular, there's a lot of history and baggage that comes along with it. The word by itself obviously doesn't have any significance, but that's missing the forest for the trees. People aren't psychic. If a word is typically used derogatorily, unless the person uttering it has been living under a rock...chances are they are using it derogatorily, otherwise why even use it? To be an asshole? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: It gets complicated when "people of colour" can use the n word to each other as a greeting, but no 'white' person can even breath the word. If it is deemed derogatory surely it should not be used in any context by anyone. Something can be offensive if one person says it but not offensive if another person says it, context makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: It gets complicated when "people of colour" can use the n word to each other as a greeting, but no 'white' person can even breath the word. If it is deemed derogatory surely it should not be used in any context by anyone. I'm sure there's a bit of context that can shed some light on why this may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Keyblade said: I can't speak about Australia, but with the P-word in Britain in particular, there's a lot of history and baggage that comes along with it. The word by itself obviously doesn't have any significance, but that's missing the forest for the trees. People aren't psychic. If a word is typically used derogatorily, unless the person uttering it has been living under a rock...chances are they are using it derogatorily, otherwise why even use it? To be an asshole? The ‘P-word’ being derogatory is pretty unique to the UK, because of its history. In Australia it’s more like the Pakistani equivalent of calling an Australian an ‘Aussie’ and I think in the US it actually means an off-license 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: It gets complicated when "people of colour" can use the n word to each other as a greeting, but no 'white' person can even breath the word. If it is deemed derogatory surely it should not be used in any context by anyone. Not the first time you've massively missed the mark in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, LondonLax said: The ‘P-word’ being derogatory is pretty unique to the UK, because of its history. In Australia it’s more like the Pakistani equivalent of calling an Australian an ‘Aussie’ and I think in the US it actually means an off-license I was referring more to Australia and the B word (first I've heard of it), but yes exactly, this is why context matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, bobzy said: Not the first time you've massively missed the mark in this thread. I like to play devils advocate with the politically correct woke crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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