Mark Albrighton Posted August 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2021 It’s interesting Mr Fox didn’t make the same or similar morality point about footballers when Ryan Giggs went to trial. Or the allegations about an Everton player recently. Or Joey Barton’s recent assault charge. No, he chose this alleged crime from this footballer. Curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Trick is, don't abuse anybody and then you're safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2021 Laurence Fox is a grifting clearing in the woods whose word is worth at much as anyone is willing to pay him for it. Nothing of value comes from any view he espouses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Panto_Villan said: Laurence Fox is actually making the same point as you, but in inverse. He's saying people who support taking the knee are keeping company with a literal rapist, and trying to tarnish the anti-racism movement by association - i.e. "who are you to moralise at me when you've got rapists in your ranks?" It's a stupid argument, of course. But it's equally stupid in reverse. The existence of Laurence Fox doesn't invalidate the opinions of anyone disagreeing with taking the knee any more than the existence of Benjamin Mendy invalidates the views of anyone who agrees with it. Literally every player (bar one I think) takes the knee. By this argument we're associated to a certain Everton player who can't be named too. Don't think even he's that moronic to make that argument. What it actually looks like he's saying is that he's black, and this is who you're supporting when you kneel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Keyblade said: Literally every player (bar one I think) takes the knee. By this argument we're associated to a certain Everton player who can't be named too. Don't think even he's that moronic to make that argument. What it actually looks like he's saying is that he's black, and this is who you're supporting when you kneel. Yeah, I could believe that interpretation too. Although I don't think it's that far fetched to think that he just didn't care as much about the Everton player because that player happens to be white. It's not a good look in either case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Mark Albrighton said: It’s interesting Mr Fox didn’t make the same or similar morality point about footballers when Ryan Giggs went to trial. Or the allegations about an Everton player recently. Or Joey Barton’s recent assault charge. No, he chose this alleged crime from this footballer. Curious. Or Adam Johnson who was actually guilty.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) Hopefully will serve as a deterrent to others 4 weeks doesn't sound a lot but it'll be the worst 4 weeks of his life Edited September 30, 2021 by tomav84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: Hopefully will serve as a deterrent to others 4 weeks doesn't sound a lot but it'll be the worst 4 weeks of his life Boing boing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Wow they’ve made a real example of this guy following one tweet. Hopefully they continue to punish people the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Wow they’ve made a real example of this guy following one tweet. Hopefully they continue to punish people the same way. He didn’t just post one tweet though (if that wasn’t enough). It was three - Opening the case at the earlier hearing, prosecutor Simon Brownsey said his case was that the message posted by Silwood to a West Bromwich Albion Fan Zone Facebook group "was intentionally posted and was blatant racism towards black professional footballer Mr Romaine Sawyers". "Three posts were placed on that thread," the prosecutor said. "The first one said 'b*****d'. The second was 'white lives matter when you try and watch'. "The third post, from Mr Silwood, said 'Baboon dor'." Prior to sentence, Mr Brownsey submitted the offence was a "grossly offensive racial hate crime" which had impacted on all black professional footballers and wider society, putting it into a higher category of harm caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: He didn’t just post one tweet though (if that wasn’t enough). It was three - Opening the case at the earlier hearing, prosecutor Simon Brownsey said his case was that the message posted by Silwood to a West Bromwich Albion Fan Zone Facebook group "was intentionally posted and was blatant racism towards black professional footballer Mr Romaine Sawyers". "Three posts were placed on that thread," the prosecutor said. "The first one said 'b*****d'. The second was 'white lives matter when you try and watch'. "The third post, from Mr Silwood, said 'Baboon dor'." Prior to sentence, Mr Brownsey submitted the offence was a "grossly offensive racial hate crime" which had impacted on all black professional footballers and wider society, putting it into a higher category of harm caused. I read that as 2 other people posted the other 2 tweets and he posted the third. Edited September 30, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I read that as 2 other people posted the other 3 tweets and he posted the third. Yes, you could be right reading it back. I just assumed that he’d posted all 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Wow they’ve made a real example of this guy following one tweet. Hopefully they continue to punish people the same way. It amazes me that it was directed at one of his own players, not saying it’s okay to be directed at other players but would have been less of a shock, Then again he does follow the Albion Edited September 30, 2021 by Follyfoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted September 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2021 I don't think there's anything there to justify prison tbh. He sounds like an absolute peice of shit, but criminal? Outrageous, imo. Different offense, in a different town, in a different court, but a bloke from my town was in court this week for battering a stranger when he drunkenly approached them for a lift home and they refused. He got a suspended sentence. Which one's a greater threat to society? The judge in this case wants to make a name for themselves imo. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: I don't think there's anything there to justify prison tbh. He sounds like an absolute peice of shit, but criminal? Outrageous, imo. Different offense, in a different town, in a different court, but a bloke from my town was in court this week for battering a stranger when he drunkenly approached them for a lift home and they refused. He got a suspended sentence. Which one's a greater threat to society? The judge in this case wants to make a name for themselves imo. Who cares? A racist **** has been handed some jail time. It’s a win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: I don't think there's anything there to justify prison tbh. He sounds like an absolute peice of shit, but criminal? Outrageous, imo. Different offense, in a different town, in a different court, but a bloke from my town was in court this week for battering a stranger when he drunkenly approached them for a lift home and they refused. He got a suspended sentence. Which one's a greater threat to society? The judge in this case wants to make a name for themselves imo. I have to agree with this wooly liberal here I will lose no sleep on a nasty racist being imprisoned but far more dangerous people don't get jailed. Like you say, you could kick someones head in and get a suspended sentence. You can get coked up, drunk and drive a 2 tonne metal box through the streets, while already having a plethora (thanks, its means a lot) of convictions and no insurance and you get sympathy from people and best wishes as you enter rehab. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, bobzy said: Who cares? A racist **** has been handed some jail time. It’s a win. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this guy, it's just the inconsistency of sentencing that grinds my gears when far more dangerous people walk free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Can't say I have any sympathy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 9 hours ago, tomav84 said: Hopefully will serve as a deterrent to others 4 weeks doesn't sound a lot but it'll be the worst 4 weeks of his life Good. He deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Davkaus said: I don't think there's anything there to justify prison tbh. He sounds like an absolute peice of shit, but criminal? Outrageous, imo. Different offense, in a different town, in a different court, but a bloke from my town was in court this week for battering a stranger when he drunkenly approached them for a lift home and they refused. He got a suspended sentence. Which one's a greater threat to society? The judge in this case wants to make a name for themselves imo. I see what you mean. He’s been made an example of to hopefully act as a deterrent to other keyboard warriors. Problem is it’s pretty easy to hide your identity online if you know how. This won’t really change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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