Wainy316 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I wouldn't have expected the Czechs to be particularly bad either. I thought you'd have to go a bit further east for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: It isn't. Yeah, but Sol Campbell said that if you go to Poland you might come back in a coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: It isn't. No neo nazi football fans in Poland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Isn't Poland the country that's a hotbed for Catholic white nationalists and has seen a surge in a far right party in recent years or am I confusing that with Hungary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jono62 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Isn't Poland the country that's a hotbed for Catholic white nationalists and has seen a surge in a far right party in recent years or am I confusing that with Hungary? Think you are confusing with Hungary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 2 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: It isn't. I remember watching something about Lech Poznan that would suggest you may not be entirely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Isn't Poland the country that's a hotbed for Catholic white nationalists and has seen a surge in a far right party in recent years or am I confusing that with Hungary? When it comes to football racism, it's not nearly as bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted October 1, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 1, 2021 Strange the Prague stuff as when we were there in 08 I don't recall any booing of our players. Carew scored the winner. Maybe things have changed since then sad times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I think Poland's more in to the old homophobia than racism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) I think it's a bit poor to say 'Hungary is racist' or 'Poland is homophobic'. It's definitely not helping to solve the problem, and it definately adds to it. Wide, sweeping generalisations based on anecdotal evidence and 'eastern European' stereotypes. Warsaw is probably the safest European capital to walk through at night. Little homeless problem, and LGBT posters everywhere. I think that before we discuss how awful those places are, we should look back to our country where policemen kill people, the Euro final, the absolutely overwhelming racial hatred within warehouses and low skilled jobs. Didn't we all talk about how Brexit was driven by xenophobia and how Saka received abuse after the last penalty? There is a problem, and it's a problem in every country. I'm glad that outspoken racist hatred is marginal. So let's not be so shallow to say 'Poland/Cech/Slovakia/Lithuania/*insert a small eastern country here*' is racist. Edited October 1, 2021 by Mic09 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 15 hours ago, Keyblade said: Isn't Poland the country that's a hotbed for Catholic white nationalists and has seen a surge in a far right party in recent years or am I confusing that with Hungary? The ruling far-right PiS party are staunchly homophobic and pretty racist to boot. And also restrictive on abortion rights and rigging the judiciary and the media to make it more to their liking. There are big football hooligan problems - especially on the yearly nationalist marches in November. Some of the biggest neo-Nazi groups in Poland - like the ONR (Radical Camp) are deeply embedded in the mainstream and elements of football culture. Poland has a lot of awesome anti-fascist groups and movements too. Just the political situation, whilst not to the degree of Hungary is a problem. If you want news in English on Poland - Notes from Poland is very good. Also, you’ve got awesome anti-racist organisations like Never Again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 2, 2021 Author Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) Czech government are summoning the UK ambassador for an apology over the way the game has been reported in the UK. Government were pissed with how UEFA and Rangers handled the last situation Edited October 2, 2021 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Things must have changed for the better then.I watched a documentary on TV about racism in football and it showed Polish supporters slinging off and abusing coloured supporters of their owne team.Mind you that documentary was a few years ago,so apoligies if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: Things must have changed for the better then.I watched a documentary on TV about racism in football and it showed Polish supporters slinging off and abusing coloured supporters of their owne team.Mind you that documentary was a few years ago,so apoligies if needed Things are definitely getting better, although there still is a problem. Things like documentaries are a bit, well, angled at a certain view. Of course if you watch a documentary where fans slag off black players that's gonna be disgusting. But in majority of stadiums that isn't a problem, or isn't as much of a problem as some claim it is. I watched tens of games live in Poland, and I have never seen an issue any more than I would have done in UK. Especially now where BBC has an article everyday about someone being abused one way or another. But yeah, Poland does have an "ultras" culture thing going on associated with football firms. I guess much like France or Germany. But it's a marginal phenomenon, just like in those countries. But to claim "Poland is racist" is a bit, well, simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 22 hours ago, Mic09 said: Yeah, but Sol Campbell said that if you go to Poland you might come back in a coffin. That was Ukraine where all England’s games were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: That was Ukraine where all England’s games were. It was both host countries he referred to, I double checked it just now to make sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted October 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2021 horrible c*nts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I don't profess to have the answers, but the question has to be asked is the "call out racism" actually making it worse ? Are you just giving airtime to attention seeking morons ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, hippo said: I don't profess to have the answers, but the question has to be asked is the "call out racism" actually making it worse ? Are you just giving airtime to attention seeking morons ? It’s not making it worse it’s just making it more prevalent because it’s outing the bastards. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 We should just be banning these repeat offending countries from fans attending matches (and maybe even the teams themselves participating) until they can demonstrate they’re sorting it out. The predictability of it is depressing and needless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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