Tomaszk Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Don't care about numbers, very bored of them. Messi is the best player to ever step onto a pitch. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Messi apparently had a confrontation with Barca fans in airport last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted May 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Messi apparently had a confrontation with Barca fans in airport last night Bet he wriggled away from all five of them, keeping close control of his suitcase. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: Home and away then Messi has 8 champions league goals past quarter finals round since 2012/13. They are the big games Assuming you’ve counted quarter finals, Barcelona have only had 8 ties that meet your criteria in that period, and one of those was a final so not two legs. So 8 goals in 15 games. Not up to his usual phenomenal standards but still a record any good player would be happy with And ive assumed he played In every game. If he didn’t then it’s even better. Edited May 8, 2019 by Stevo985 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: If Barcelona are standing tall, Messi stands tallest. If Ronaldo's team are on their arses, he lifts every single one of them back to their feet. No, but I don't think Ronaldo would've been standing with his hands on his hips looking forlorn immediately after the goal, either. He'd have been furiously geeing everyone up to get a goal. Messi is one of the greatest players we'll ever see, but you'd never be able to call him a leader. Yet here he is, captain of one of the most important teams in the world. This, this and this again. In a one off game with everything on the line, give me Ronaldo. For a league campaign? Messi. Mostly because I'd rather watch him every week. I think the Messi narrative has gotten to the point where Ronaldo is bizarrely underrated. He's a leader and a winner, despite not having the gift that Messi has on the ball he has managed to get himself into the same conversation through sheer drive and determination. I think they're both incredible to be honest, Messi is the best natural footballer to have ever lived. Ronaldo is the best gamer. He'd have become a champion darts player if he had wanted it enough. Edited May 8, 2019 by dont_do_it_doug. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Not gonna lie, I think Messi is the GOAT but was very disappointed with his vanishing display yesterday. Yes his team was awful, but it looked like he was actively hiding from the ball in the second half. Literally just walking around when his team needed a goal. Everybody including presumably his teammates were waiting for him to take matters into his own hands, but he didn't. You would expect the best passer in the world to get on the ball and try to make things happen. It'd be like if Jack was just strolling around while we needed a goal in the second leg at the Hawthorns for example, that would be incredibly disappointing. But we know that Jack, being the mature leader he's grown to be would never do that. Think back to the playoff final last season. It didn't work out, but by god did he not try to drag us into extra time. That's the one aspect of his game that Messi is missing imo. Like a couple of people already mentioned, Ronaldo has that undying drive and winning desire. Messi was sort of born into the most successful club team of the millenium, and with immeasurable talent and so he probably never needed to develop that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 8, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Messi is the best natural footballer to have ever lived. Ronaldo is the best gamer. I like Gary Lineker's (I think) line that "Ronaldo is a machine, Messi is an artist". Messi every time for me. They're both brilliant, mind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Maradona dragged Napoli to 2 Serie A titles when probably toughest league ever Would be like Messi carrying Bournemouth to the title I know and that's fantastic, still rate Messi better though but for me Pele is the GOAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 How often have Barca done to teams what Liverpool did to them? Do they ever have these big comebacks? Ronaldo has scored a few hatricks to brings his team from a deficit of a few goals, to go through. I just don't feel Messi has any leadership qualities, nor the bottle at times. There may be a few things he beats Ronaldo at, but I don't think Ronaldo has a weakness. Maybe his drive and desire to win can make him look a bit of a dick at times, but that's not a bad trait to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, PaulC said: I know and that's fantastic, still rate Messi better though but for me Pele is the GOAT How many times have you seen Pele play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: How often have Barca done to teams what Liverpool did to them? Do they ever have these big comebacks? I dunno. Ask someone at PSG, they might know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Michelsen said: I dunno. Ask someone at PSG, they might know. I must admit, that slipped my mind. How about games where the ref didn't score a hattrick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, villalad21 said: Difference is Messi and Ronaldo been scoring 40+ goals on a consistent basis for 10+ years. Maradona did not. One can argue that Maradona in his peak were better than both of them though. That sort of goal haul was barely possible in those days, wouldn't happen in the Serie A of those days, no chance. Edited May 8, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Don't care about numbers, very bored of them. Messi is the best player to ever step onto a pitch. Ability wise Brazilian Ronaldo was a better player and so was Maradona. Edited May 8, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 hours ago, PaulC said: Yes he had one great world cup which could have turned out a lot different if it hadn't been for the so called 'hand of god'. Other than that his record for Argentina was inferior to Messi's. Messi a far better club career. Still think Messi is the better player. This is pure garbage, he won the world cup for them in 86, that's immediately better than anything Messi has done for Argentina and anything he will do, he also played a key role in them getting to the final in Italia 90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: That sort of goal haul was barely possible in those days, wouldn't happen in the Serie A of those days, no chance. football is so soft now for attackers that Van Basten if he was playing in this era be banging in 80-90 goals per season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Just now, Zatman said: football is so soft now for attackers that Van Basten if he was playing in this era be banging in 80-90 goals per season Yep people just don't get it. The game was far more brutal, certain types of legitimate tackles then are red card now, off the ball incidents would barely get carded, the offside rule was extremely unforgiving, you were allowed to pass back to the keeper and even the ball was heavier and moved less. Far, far harder for attacking players and that's before you get to Serie A in those days, with the primacy of the catenaccio philosophy and the all time great defenders who played in that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Yep people just don't get it. The game was far more brutal, certain types of legitimate tackles then are red card now, off the ball incidents would barely get carded, the offside rule was extremely unforgiving, you were allowed to pass back to the keeper and even the ball was heavier and moved less. Far, far harder for attacking players and that's before you get to Serie A in those days, with the primacy of the catenaccio philosophy and the all time great defenders who played in that league. Shows what an amazing achievement Gerd Muller's stats were. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: This is pure garbage, he won the world cup for them in 86, that's immediately better than anything Messi has done for Argentina and anything he will do, he also played a key role in them getting to the final in Italia 90. What is not garbage is that he cheated his way to winning the world cup in 86, something that any English football fan can not forgive him for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Ability wise Brazilian Ronaldo was a better player and so was Maradona. Passing ability? Nope neither of them come close 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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