Dr_Pangloss Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) Doesn't compare to Maradona, does not drag teams forward in the same way he did, obviously one of the all time greats but certainly not the all time great. Edited May 8, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 they got another one of these pics last night - 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Not a leader maybe, but still a fabulous footballer, the like of which we'll never see again. Maradona was a different type of personality, more like Luis Suarez, win by any means attitude. Had one great world cup unlike Pele, a proper sportsman who had three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: If Barcelona are standing tall, Messi stands tallest Bit of an exaggeration, this. Messi wouldn't stand tallest in an under 11s side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 He loses the ball more than other players because he always tries to pick out the most difficult option knowing that he will no doubt pull a couple off that end up with goals. Even last night he set up Alba and Suarez with one on ones you'd expect them to bury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, villa4europe said: they got another one of these pics last night - Shows how important he is, and how good a job Liverpool did compared to the last game where he could freely roam the pitch. I think it highlights how shit his team were too. Liverpool can surround him with a minimum of 3 players...And somehow the rest of the team weren't running rampant in all of the extra space? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Reminds me of the picture of Maradona surrounded by sea of Belgian defenders in Mexico 86, the difference being Maradona scores two goals in that game, including one arguably better than his solo effort against England and in so doing drags a fairly average side to the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 by your own words in the other thread theres some utter shit in that barca team and messi scored 2 goals in this tie too...and that's before you start looking at Liverpool being a very good team not sure why last night collapse lies at his feet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Reminds me of the picture of Maradona surrounded by sea of Belgian defenders in Mexico 86, the difference being Maradona scores two goals in that game, including one arguably better than his solo effort against England and in so doing drags a fairly average side to the final. Difference is Messi and Ronaldo been scoring 40+ goals on a consistent basis for 10+ years. Maradona did not. One can argue that Maradona in his peak were better than both of them though. Edited May 8, 2019 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2019 He had a bad game. In the first leg he had a great game and scored 2 goals, one being one of the best free kicks I’ve ever see. He’s the reason they had a 3-0 lead. Youre only as good as your last game has never been truer it seems. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: He had a bad game. In the first leg he had a great game and scored 2 goals, one being one of the best free kicks I’ve ever see. He’s the reason they had a 3-0 lead. Youre only as good as your last game has never been truer it seems. He didn’t even have a particularly bad game. Just by his own superhuman standards. Any other player we would be saying how he was his team’s only creative outlet and that he got in good positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 The issue is last night is not a rarity though. His only away goals in the last seasons or so was vs Arsenal, Chelsea who were in turmoil, City under Mancini and PSG What people said about Xavi and Iniesta looks very true as this is when they started to decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Yes he had one great world cup which could have turned out a lot different if it hadn't been for the so called 'hand of god'. Other than that his record for Argentina was inferior to Messi's. Messi a far better club career. Still think Messi is the better player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: The issue is last night is not a rarity though. His only away goals in the last seasons or so was vs Arsenal, Chelsea who were in turmoil, City under Mancini and PSG What people said about Xavi and Iniesta looks very true as this is when they started to decline he's got 50 goals this season. Including 12 in the champions league. I think he’s doing alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: he's got 50 goals this season. Including 12 in the champions league. I think he’s doing alright. But not in the important games which is the argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes he had one great world cup which could have turned out a lot different if it hadn't been for the so called 'hand of god'. Other than that his record for Argentina was inferior to Messi's. Messi a far better club career. Still think Messi is the better player. Maradona dragged Napoli to 2 Serie A titles when probably toughest league ever Would be like Messi carrying Bournemouth to the title 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Zatman said: But not in the important games which is the argument He scored 2 in the semi final of the champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: He scored 2 in the semi final of the champions league. The away games in Europe he goes missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: The away games in Europe he goes missing Oh ok. I didn’t know only away games in europe counted as important. Feels a bit like cherry picking games to suit your argument... Edited May 8, 2019 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Oh ok. I didn’t know only away games in europe counted as important. Feels a bit like cherry picking games to suit your argument... Home and away then Messi has 8 champions league goals past quarter finals round since 2012/13. They are the big games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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