villa4europe Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Same as the pep being handed a dream team at Barca and not doing anything argument "Barca has a wonderful squad" No they don't There is a criticism that can be angled at him that I think his wages and the wage structure of the club prevents them from building a squad (same with ronaldo) but most of what he says is finger pointing to grab a headline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 One thing I wouldn't criticise a player for is wages they get offered. Club at fault for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 At some point it's got to go like the NFL Tom Brady is "underpaid" or at least undervalued but he knows it lets his team get better players around him Barcas wage structure is stopping them having a good 25 man squad (as well as lack of good young players) It's something city have managed pretty well to be fair to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Zatman said: One thing I wouldn't criticise a player for is wages they get offered. Club at fault for that I read earlier in the season that Real Madrid home attendances were 20k to 30k down most matches since Ronaldo left. They've also had a few very low gates too. If that's say 25,000 x €40 that's a million Euros just on the gate. 30 home games a year, €30m loss just there. Then merchandise, food, drink, advertising revenue and doesn't account for the loss of impact of the player on the field. On this basis it's hard to suggest Messi or Ronaldo are overpaid. There are not many players around that can have that effect on attendances and bring more than their own salary into the club. I bet Juve have made the transfer fee back on Ronaldo already in shirt sales. When my boy is at football training theres always at least half a dozen kids in Juventus shirts with his name on the back. Edited June 29, 2019 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted June 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Genie said: I bet Juve have made the transfer fee back on Ronaldo already in shirt sales. When my boy is at football training theres always at least half a dozen kids in Juventus shirts with his name on the back. Yes but I bet they got those shirts on holiday in Turkey for £8!! They do make some great fakes I have friends that holiday there and bring back whole strips mainly Messi/Ronaldo for their 10 year olds! Legit shirts these days coat a fortune and if Adidas/Nike are going to give teamwear with a badge and sponsor and charge £50 more than the teamwear then I say fair play to the fakers. Not all the shirts you see make Juve/Barca money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, S-Platt said: Yes but I bet they got those shirts on holiday in Turkey for £8!! They do make some great fakes I have friends that holiday there and bring back whole strips mainly Messi/Ronaldo for their 10 year olds! Legit shirts these days coat a fortune and if Adidas/Nike are going to give teamwear with a badge and sponsor and charge £50 more than the teamwear then I say fair play to the fakers. Not all the shirts you see make Juve/Barca money. I think @NurembergVillan may have something to say about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Genie said: On this basis it's hard to suggest Messi or Ronaldo are overpaid. There are not many players around that can have that effect on attendances and bring more than their own salary into the club. Yep. I've said this to the anti-football people at work. There's a few people around the 60 mark who really hate the fact footballers are paid so much, they really seem to take offence when I say that the big names they've just mentioned are probably massively underpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, kurtsimonw said: Yep. I've said this to the anti-football people at work. There's a few people around the 60 mark who really hate the fact footballers are paid so much, they really seem to take offence when I say that the big names they've just mentioned are probably massively underpaid. The worst is when people then bring up nurses wages etc. I fully agree front line workers should be paid more but they think footballers are paid by the tax payer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Zatman said: The worst is when people then bring up nurses wages etc. I fully agree front line workers should be paid more but they think footballers are paid by the tax payer Footballers are paid alot of money because they make their employers alot of money (of course theres exceptions like Micah and Gabby). It's all relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I think people are misunderstanding my original point in response to LVG suggesting he had a negative impact on the team Messi is paid a rumoured €8.3m a month, so €99.6m a year With FFP That's taking up a huge chunk of their spending power, I'm of the opinion that Barca have squad issues, have for a while, they have a small squad with no quality young players propping them up and aging key players (them buying shit doesn't help) you see stuff like them buying neymar back for €150m and paying him €500k a week, they can't afford him, they've sorted the midfield for the future and tried with the defence but they still need a new LB and attacking players That is the only detriment to the team that I see in him I also think PSG have massive problems because of the same, they pay neymar, mbappe and a couple of others so much money that they can't build a 25 man squad capable of winning the CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 It's Monday morning quarterback stuff though. Barcelona are having the most successful run in their entire history with Messi in the team, they've won the league 8 times in the last 11 seasons. They've been as successful as anyone in Europe too, so what's the expectation here? Messi generates interest and income and I'm sure his contract reflects that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 It's in response to LVG saying they haven't won the CL for too long and him being detrimental to the team (which I don't agree with) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Something special is happening in this copa America.....Messi finally sung Argentine national anthem! He's got lots of stick in their press down the years for not belting it out like most of the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted June 30, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 30, 2019 20 hours ago, Michelsen said: I think @NurembergVillan may have something to say about this. Each to their own, but it's essentially theft of intellectual property that's made by child slaves and often funds human trafficking and/or terrorism. You get what you pay for, I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 hours ago, VillaChris said: Something special is happening in this copa America.....Messi finally sung Argentine national anthem! He's got lots of stick in their press down the years for not belting it out like most of the other players. Doesnt even have words does it? If it does, very few? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 19 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Doesnt even have words does it? If it does, very few? It has lots of words, the full version is about four minutes! Some wierd rules in World cups anthems can't exceed over 90 seconds or something so you only get the instrumental start and then maybe the chorus which is in Copa America. Spain national anthem dosen't have any words so that could be the one you're thinking of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 goal 0 assists in Copa America. I think Messi be retiring again soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Zatman said: 1 goal 0 assists in Copa America. I think Messi be retiring again soon Doubt it. There's another Copa America next year, co-hosted by Argentina. Can't see him missing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I can see scaloni getting bulleted, messi having a moan at the FA again (which is understandable) threatening to retire but then playing he will start next years copa with his 10th manager out of those 10 3 of them had never managed a club side before getting the big job, 3 of them had won the league with a club side they're a shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 And his 1 goal would put him level with the PL best striker aguero and 1 ahead of dybala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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