Popular Post sne Posted January 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2019 This new Steve Bruce thread is just as tedious as the old one was. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, hippo said: ??? I think you have miss followed the thread. The poster a few posts said DS should easily outperform Bruce. But then said DS would struggle to replace Grealish / Tammy My question was simply would you expect DS to outperform Bruce - given the big hole those two leave - and that they wont easily be replaceable ? I think it would be difficult for any manager of a Championship club to replace those two with like for like. However the aim is to produce a better team. The fact is that we currently don’t have a good team, just two or three very good players that are, when fit, papering over the cracks. If we are unable to keep these players, then at least we will get decent money for Grealish, with which to build a team. Now I’m sure you won’t agree, but I would say that Dean Smith is more capable than Steve Bruce of putting a team together that is able to produce the style of play the owners indicate they want and in a sustainable way too. It won’t happen overnight, but given support and time I think he can do it. Edited January 27, 2019 by DaveAV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DCJonah said: His freak injury allowed him to gain some much needed physical improvements and I think JT had more of an influence. I seriously doubt Steve Bruce was vital for what we saw from Jack last year. Ollie Stevenson was the strength and conditioning coach who was deployed by Steve Bruce to improve Jacks standing on the pitch, he was dedicated to the task...in relation to the observations of him going to ground so easily The recovery from injury was a convenient time to do this specialist training of which Jack himself has in the past endorsed....He said his improvement came as a direct involvement of this....from the horses mouth. You have your view on the man( SB)......I have no interest in changing it....Que sera sera. Edited January 27, 2019 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, TRO said: Ollie Stevenson was the strength and conditioning coach who was deployed by Steve Bruce to improve Jacks standing on the pitch, he was dedicated to the task...in relation to the observations of him going to ground so easily The recovery from injury was a convenient time to do this specialist training of which Jack himself has in the past endorsed....He said his improvement came as a direct involvement of this....from the horses mouth. You have your view on the man( SB)......I have no interest in changing it....Que sera sera. So can we settle this once and for all, Steve Bruce deserves credit for teaching Jack Grealish to stand up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 On 26/01/2019 at 17:10, Jareth said: Probably because he still has the exact same set of players. That’s actually not true. He has already brought in Kalinic and Hause. Haven’t seen too much impact from that so far tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 9 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Defence at the moment is so poor Our fullbacks are poor. Chester and Elphick are alright. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: I think it would be difficult for any manager of a Championship club to replace those two with like for like. However the aim is to produce a better team. The fact is that we currently don’t have a good team, just two or three very good players that are, when fit, papering over the cracks. If we are unable to keep these players, then at least we will get decent money for Grealish, with which to build a team. Now I’m sure you won’t agree, but I would say that Dean Smith is more capable than Steve Bruce of putting a team together that is able to produce the style of play the owners indicate they want and in a sustainable way too. It won’t happen overnight, but given support and time I think he can do it. I would say he deserves a crack at it (barring a total meltdown this season) . I have seen managers sell the star villa player , yet build a better team . atkinson sold platt and built a fine team. I think where will differ is the timescale.If a manager attempts a rebuild, atkinson, little in recent times...you tend to know pretty quickly if you are on the right track. Atkinson and little were, sherwood and rdm werent. Imo we have to be in fairly decently placed for promotion in October/November.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 hours ago, AVTuco said: I don't disagree with you, but one would pick those four names for any style. Except the last manager didnt play one of them in his correct position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 17 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: I don’t think you can blame the manager for not converting chances Andy. Especially when the striker doing the missing is scoring plenty. If he wasn’t then there would be a case for dropping him, but he’s the leading score in the division. If he had scored even half the chances he’s missed we’d be in the play off places at least. That’s not a dig at Tammy, he’s still learning and is way better than any other striker we could get in. I agree on Elmohamady, he has become a real liability and we do have cover down the right. Taylor I think will stay because even if we get in a decent replacement we’ll still need back up. By all accounts Taylor wasn’t terrible yesterday, although I wasn’t there. 3 or 4 in would be excellent. I agree Dave, I don't blame the manager for us not converting our chances, more referring to the bit in his post match comments where he states Tammy and McGinn could have walked away with 2 match balls is him highlighting that we could have scored more and he is right. The amount of chances that we've had to convert into goals in games of late that we haven't has been quite big. Do the players need to train more on their finishing or has it just been a case of huge misfortune on our part? Like you say, Tammy banging them in how he is cannot be faulted -and.I agree if he converted some of the these other chances he has missed in the big games like WBA and Leeds then we win them games imo and would be a wee bit further up the table than where we find ourselves - play off spots a minimum. I would never question in dropping Tammy though but just frustrating for both fan and player why we are not converting more (again not just purely down to Tammy). I would look to sell Elmo asap and focus on getting Bree up to speed in that position. (Also why can't we recall RDL?) Taylor is too much of a rabbit in the headlights and wether that's down to confidence issues or his just his ability as a footballer is limited I am not sure, but it's cringing to watch in games. I look forward to what transfer activity happens this week as our season now depends on a few key positions that need improved drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 27/01/2019 at 18:28, macandally said: Pretty sure John Terry had a key part in that. On 27/01/2019 at 21:29, DCJonah said: His freak injury allowed him to gain some much needed physical improvements and I think JT had more of an influence. I seriously doubt Steve Bruce was vital for what we saw from Jack last year. jack spoke very highly of bruce on more than one occasion and credited him for his development. i really am amazed that the agenda is still going strong that no one can give the guy any credit whatsoever. i really, really hope that DS doesnt get the same treatment. one major positive of having 'one of our own' as manager is that if/when the time comes for the fans to call for his head, there's no way it'll be as evil as previous managers such as bruce and mcleish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, tomav84 said: jack spoke very highly of bruce on more than one occasion and credited him for his development. i really am amazed that the agenda is still going strong that no one can give the guy any credit whatsoever. i really, really hope that DS doesnt get the same treatment. one major positive of having 'one of our own' as manager is that if/when the time comes for the fans to call for his head, there's no way it'll be as evil as previous managers such as bruce and mcleish I can’t see Smith doing what Bruce did if he knew his time was up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 An update of Dean Smith's phone.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: An update of Dean Smith's phone.. Nokia 3210! I knew he wasn’t this modern forward thinking manager everyone thinks he is!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Nokia 3210! I knew he wasn’t this modern forward thinking manager everyone thinks he is!! ..He didn't have to charge it for 5 years! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted January 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 22/01/2019 at 08:26, Tommo_b said: Christ that was a truly awful first team? Bar Benteke I think our current team is better. Lambert really was hung out to dry by Lerner, I know many disagree but Lambert did pretty well with what he had. I was sick of Lambert by the end only because it went on longer than it should've but much like Remi Garde I really felt sorry for the fact they were basically babysitting the senior team. No real opportunity to put their brand or style with their players into action. I will be/have been ridiculed for but I'm comfortable with that, I truly believe we destroyed Lambert but there is/was a good manager in there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: jack spoke very highly of bruce on more than one occasion and credited him for his development. Ofc he did. Bruce stroked his cock and massaged his ego more than his girlfriend did. Wouldn't be surprised if Bruce organized picknicks for his entire family. Edited January 29, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: I was sick of Lambert by the end only because it went on longer than it should've but much like Remi Garde I really felt sorry for the fact they were basically babysitting the senior team. Weren't we the lowest scoring team in Europe at some time under Lambert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Weren't we the lowest scoring team in Europe at some time under Lambert? It was actually the observable Universe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 12 hours ago, tomav84 said: jack spoke very highly of bruce on more than one occasion and credited him for his development. i really am amazed that the agenda is still going strong that no one can give the guy any credit whatsoever. i really, really hope that DS doesnt get the same treatment. one major positive of having 'one of our own' as manager is that if/when the time comes for the fans to call for his head, there's no way it'll be as evil as previous managers such as bruce and mcleish I don't agree with all due respect - Let's be fair - have you ever known a footballer say anything bad about a manager that picked him on a regular basis - l believe JT was the greater influence, plus you have factor in the lower standard of football and Jack waking up a little as well? I will happily stand corrected - but I remain unconvinced a man that " doesn't do tactics " would have a significant impact upon Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Villan_of_oz said: I was sick of Lambert by the end only because it went on longer than it should've but much like Remi Garde I really felt sorry for the fact they were basically babysitting the senior team. No real opportunity to put their brand or style with their players into action. I will be/have been ridiculed for but I'm comfortable with that, I truly believe we destroyed Lambert but there is/was a good manager in there. I thought Lambert was OK generally, but I'm pretty sure he went to Germany or something before his last season and suddenly wanted us to be a possession based team with virtually no final ball, as a result we changed from frequently having 25-35% possession and surviving (with a few memorable games on occasion) even surprising the so called big boys from time to time, to having 50-60% with at least 2 months (from memory) where we couldn't even have a "goal of the month" because we hadn't scored any, because all we did was pass the ball from side to side endlessly. He seems to have carried on this possession with no end product mentality and his teams continue to be totally toothless I think he was a good manager, I mean he kept us up repeatedly on a shoestring budget with a team which had Westwood as a key player, currently however he's terrible, and unless he changes his tactics up again he'll continue to be terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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