villalad21 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Dave-R said: am with Smith all the way, I'm prepared to give him as many seasons as it takes a I am fed up with sacking managers only to repeat this same crap over and over. That's scary. You would stick by him no matter what happens? What if he got us relegated next season? You would still stick by him in the name of Consistency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, KMitch said: More like the Egyptian de la cruz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 55 minutes ago, villalad21 said: That's scary. You would stick by him no matter what happens? What if he got us relegated next season? You would still stick by him in the name of Consistency? Still going. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: That's scary. You would stick by him no matter what happens? What if he got us relegated next season? You would still stick by him in the name of Consistency? He would be sacked way before that happened so it’s irrelevant whether he would stick by him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, KMitch said: Chicken Tikka Mo Salah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: That's scary. You would stick by him no matter what happens? What if he got us relegated next season? You would still stick by him in the name of Consistency? Well what were doing isn't working, sacking managers as soon as they put a foot wrong or should I say after a few seasons, I think we need to stick with someone for the high and the lowes. If we were to end up in a bad way, who's to say a change of manager can sort it out, it's always a risk in hopes of bringing in someone to put things rite again. One thing for certain is sticking with someone as capable as what Smith is and as smart as he is, can lead to a turn around in poor form and results. I can see us anyway in the bad end of the league next season if this team isn't changed and we get rid of the ones slowing us down. I just don't see most of these players proving there worth and taking us into the premiere. Most were with us when relegated, rite? so what makes us think they can do the impossible, and fire us into the premier. On there worst days our players would need to be the best out there, thats what it is needed to get promotion. For most in this league each season, it's a heck of a battle, only a select few who prove there worth and battle every step get to go to the promise land. Yet those clubs who are sticking with things, the way they coach, play, execute plans on the field are the ones becoming very successful now. Dedicated clubs who stick with an approach which are starting to reap the rewards from a long time of slowly building squads that will challenge, take on and win squad that are built with big money is how it should of be done in the first place. We as fans need to be prepared to accept the losses as well as the wins, be prepared to fight the long distance not rush it short term only to be left shocked and depressed when things don't turn out rite. By sticking by a manager long term more than a few season, we can ensure stability most of all and a settled house which is some of what we really need most of all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, Dave-R said: Well what were doing isn't working, sacking managers as soon as they put a foot wrong or should I say after a few seasons, I think we need to stick with someone for the high and the lowes. If we were to end up in a bad way, who's to say a change of manager can sort it out, it's always a risk in hopes of bringing in someone to put things rite again. One thing for certain is sticking with someone as capable as what Smith is and as smart as he is, can lead to a turn around in poor form and results. I agree with consistency being ideal, but only with the right manager. Give consistency to a average manager and you'll end up average. We will see how DS will do next season with a pre season. If we don't get into the top 6 next season he need to go imo, we have one of the biggest budgets in the league, next season there are no excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) We need to understand, who we are and what our culture has traditionally been. even in our finest hours 110% work rate was our by word and graft was our passport. we have never really been a Man U or Man City with highly technical players to play that expansive game. problem right now is, we are neither one thing or the other. Dean would do well, to start his rebuild with players who can work and graft as second nature, not being bollocked in to it. Talent is wonderful, we all want to see it.....but if its locked in the cupboard, because you are being out fought, what use is that? we bring in players like Bolassie and El Ghazi....but its the John McGinn signings that make the real difference. We have been without dominant centre halves and competent full backs for some time.....we flirted around with goalkeepers when tradionally we have always had stability in that position. I know we have been through the mill in terms of stability as a club....but we really do need to prioritise these defensive issues. I hope Hause and Kalinic, prove to be an aid to improvement, but we need more.....soon. The midfield also need to know how to defend, being brushed aside on a whim and failing to support full backs is not adequate. Wingers, also need to get a foot in at times, like Snoddy did. Otherwise they are just passengers, when their offensive work is blunt. This defensive issue......is a team issue for me, but of course 2 competent centre backs and 2 supporting full backs would be a good start. We have too many players in the squad not capable of doing what is being asked, with any reasonable level of consistency. PS luxury players will not solve our plight. Edited January 21, 2019 by TRO 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Dave-R said: Well what were doing isn't working, sacking managers as soon as they put a foot wrong or should I say after a few seasons, I think we need to stick with someone for the high and the lowes. If we were to end up in a bad way, who's to say a change of manager can sort it out, it's always a risk in hopes of bringing in someone to put things rite again. One thing for certain is sticking with someone as capable as what Smith is and as smart as he is, can lead to a turn around in poor form and results. I can see us anyway in the bad end of the league next season if this team isn't changed and we get rid of the ones slowing us down. I just don't see most of these players proving there worth and taking us into the premiere. Most were with us when relegated, rite? so what makes us think they can do the impossible, and fire us into the premier. On there worst days our players would need to be the best out there, thats what it is needed to get promotion. For most in this league each season, it's a heck of a battle, only a select few who prove there worth and battle every step get to go to the promise land. Yet those clubs who are sticking with things, the way they coach, play, execute plans on the field are the ones becoming very successful now. Dedicated clubs who stick with an approach which are starting to reap the rewards from a long time of slowly building squads that will challenge, take on and win squad that are built with big money is how it should of be done in the first place. We as fans need to be prepared to accept the losses as well as the wins, be prepared to fight the long distance not rush it short term only to be left shocked and depressed when things don't turn out rite. By sticking by a manager long term more than a few season, we can ensure stability most of all and a settled house which is some of what we really need most of all. Just out interest what manager would have stuck with that we have sacked in recent times ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted January 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2019 Anyone attacking Dean Smith before he gets a full pre-season and summer transfer window is jumping the gun. This is still a salvage job at the moment. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 In my opinion, its fine to say what you see in terms of what the team is dishing up. To blame the manager so soon, is a bit pre-mature. He knows whats wrong, but hasn't got the tools to put it right....when he does the criticism, if required, will be a bit more apt. The manager does have the ultimate responsibility for the team, but not to go out and buy who he wants....we have to be fair here. You cannot always coach your way out of every situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Seems to know whatcha is doing. Sending bolaise back was 100%the right decision. We don't need lazy hasbeens here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Whoever cancelled the loan whether it be him or us....I think it's the right decision....overall, been a disappointment. Should save us some ££ too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Green is better than Bolasie anyways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Any one of us has no more passion about AVFC than the man in the seat. We have to trust him, to get it right. I don't subscribe to this theory he has always been none defensive with other clubs....He has had to cut his cloth according to where he was. He has more latitude now to get it all right, defensive and offensive....but it will take time, it has to be done incrementally, to sustain a balance in the club, in the finances. Its frustrating right now, but I think in a reasonable time he will get it right. It is one thing knowing whats wrong, its a whole different ball game putting it right immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Green is better than Bolasie anyways quite a sweeping statement for me.....tell me in 5/10 matches in....I think Bolassie has arguably more talent, Andre, more intensity and effort....both injury prone....one is more likely to get better than the other...but we'll see. but certainly the right decision IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I would love to see a big banner with "110% ".....written on it. Every one in the ground would know what that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, TRO said: I would love to see a big banner with "110% ".....written on it. Every one in the ground would know what that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The entire Bolasie farace simply highlights the terrible mess Bruce left us in. Smith has a massive job on his hands and needs a lot more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted January 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, New_Hope said: Whoever cancelled the loan whether it be him or us....I think it's the right decision....overall, been a disappointment. Should save us some ££ too. Instigated by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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