TomC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: This credit in the bank Bo****S in running a bit thin now. You don't keep a manager until we are in the bottom 3 just because he did some good things prebiously. Ranieri won Leicester the Prem but they soon got rid of him when things went tits. Funny enough, Shaky was assistant then too. To be clear, by "credit in the bank," I don't mean, "we're going to be nice to you because we've done good things in the past." What I do mean is, "we've seen you do enough good things that we have confidence in you to get us out of this." I can see NSWE thinking that. Things looked grim two years ago and Deano righted the ship in time. I have issues with Deano's tatics, too. So let's assume for the moment that Deano should go. Do you have a better chance of landing the right man now or in the summer? Is the right man going to be able to make much a difference with the current squad? The new man is going to want to bring in players. He can't do that until at least January, and then you have to ask, will he be more likely to get his players in January or in the summer? Survival is the only goal we have left at this point. If relegation looks possible with the January transfer window approaching, I think that they will be ruthless. You don't get where they are in business without the ability to be ruthless. But you don't get where they are in business by making snap decisions, either. This is not as simple as, "fire the manager as punishment for a bad run." You have to think several moves ahead. And it's entirely within rationality to think, as of today, (1) Deano can still keep us up, even if he's not going to ever get us any higher than 11th or so, and (2) there may be better times to replace him than now, even if replacing him is a given. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted November 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: The job spec is not for a decent bloke who is a Villa fan, if it was there are many on her who are qualified. The job spec is for a manager that will improve us We were improving, it just seems to have gone pear shaped this season. Having 'one of us' managing us made the better times feel more special, for me, as was having a captain the same. Much better than a Watford or Wolves scenario of a succession of staff and players with no connection to the team/area. Call me an old romantic but it made our (relative) success more enjoyable. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Xela said: We were improving, it just seems to have gone pear shaped this season. Having 'one of us' managing us made the better times feel more special, for me, as was having a captain the same. Much better than a Watford or Wolves scenario of a succession of staff and players with no connection to the team/area. Call me an old romantic but it made our (relative) success more enjoyable. Agreed 100 per cent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, VillaChris said: If that meeting is true I think he'll be sacked tbh. From what was reported Purslow really fought to keep Dean in a job at a couple of points in 19/20 when the owners were thinking of making a change so if he thinks it's time to make a chance I don't see how DS survives this time. I am guessing mate. I don't want this to go to the twittersphere! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: It really will be and end of an era. Have you ever loved following Villa like the way you have in the last couple of years? Old **** that saw the league/EC cup wins need not reply From being back where we belong, with a world class villa fan as our captain, and villa fan as our manager, to flogging the captain and sacking the manager within a few months. Disney don't write them like this. Sorry but a good manager should be able to deal with Grealish going given the investment made. And him going does not explain the abject performances on the pitch nor the piss poor tactics and formation. Being a Villa fan is a nice to have as a manager not a prerequisite. It’s a sad day when (not if) they sack him and I really like Smith but it’s the right decision for the club, for him and us as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 It's of course clear now that time is up. As has been said not just because of these 5 games but because of the huge amount of defeats we have endured now for too long. Shame but hey ho. Same as everyone else though i'm really unsure who's next. I do like the way Brighton play football but cannot see Potter leaving them at the mo. Nuno is a bit of a weird one. My Wolves supporting mate at work was gutted when he left as he loved his methodology and of course he has contacts too, knows the midlands scene and could just work.... but that defensive style would be a hard watch now. As for Gerrard well it's just that Liverpool infatuation isn't it. Reminds me of when Houllier was here and had his love in with the Kop etc it just doesn't sit right and you know he'd be off as soon as they came calling if Klopp ever left. Lampard is an intriguing one for me, maybe with JT as assisitant? He is by all accounts a very good coach but again it's the Chelsea love-in which just taints it somehow. What about this Portugese ex- Roma chappy we were linked with? He any good? What style does he play anyone know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Harry said: Sorry but a good manager should be able to deal with Grealish going given the investment made. And him going does not explain the abject performances on the pitch nor the piss poor tactics and formation. Being a Villa fan is a nice to have as a manager not a prerequisite. It’s a sad day when (not if) they sack him and I really like Smith but it’s the right decision for the club, for him and us as fans. Transfers are mostly down to Lange. He got the plaundits last summer so he deserves to be asked some questions for this window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Five defeats in a row is damning. The main problem however is we look worse each week too which doesn’t help. I’d be surprised if he survives this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Another smart move by Purslow. Inserting the measly £100m release clause into his contract! Absolute ****! A bit unfair. I’m sure Grealish had his part to play in setting the agreed amount. £100m for him is looking like good business now to be fair! We might be able to buy him back for about £20m in the summer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, TomC said: To be clear, by "credit in the bank," I don't mean, "we're going to be nice to you because we've done good things in the past." What I do mean is, "we've seen you do enough good things that we have confidence in you to get us out of this What is the difference between those? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Transfers are mostly down to Lange. He got the plaundits last summer so he deserves to be asked some questions for this window. Smith clearly doesn't know how to get the best out of the players - five different formations in 14 games is simply not good enough when you had a settled side for the most part, especially defensively. Shoehorning 5-3-2 with Axel for as long as he did simply didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffer85 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Time to go sadly What's unforgivable is we have no style of play Even Norwich have a style( it might be shit ) but at least you know how they play What worried last week when Dean said players win matches not systems, this is wholely not true as the best teams in the world have a constant system ( with different players ) and it works, This is the end my friend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, The_Steve said: Smith clearly doesn't know how to get the best out of the players - five different formations in 14 games is simply not good enough when you had a settled side for the most part, especially defensively. Shoehorning 5-3-2 with Axel for as long as he did simply didn't work. Personally I think this is where it has gone wrong for him. I think if he'd stuck to what he knew until having all his players fit we wouldn't be having his discussion.....at least not so soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Not really, when both of them have been in it for half the time we have. It's a stat that has been created to make us look bad. The stat makes us look bad (assuming it is correct!) because we have been a bad side that has lost more games than any other premier league side over that period. That is telling us the likes of Crystal Palace, Brighton, Southampton, Burnley, Wolves, Leeds and Newcastle have all lost less than us. Teams that we are surely aspiring to be better than. Fell bad for Smith - he has done his best but probably best for all parties that we look for someone else. If not, obviously I hope he turns it around starting against Brighton. Edited November 5, 2021 by Brumstopdogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 We never draw much under Smith which is quite unusual for Villa. It is largely defeats with the occasional good few wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post The Moustache of Teale Posted November 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2021 I have to reluctantly accept that it’s time for Dean to go. I’m gutted, love the bloke and everything he’s achieved at Villa has felt all the more special with him being one of us. There have been times over the last 3 years when I’ve never felt more proud to be a Villa fan. But no getting away from the fact that it’s gone horribly and seemingly irreparably wrong. Devastated. I feel the way I did when we had our cat put down. I knew it was the only option and the right thing to do, but I felt thoroughly shit about it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Transfers are mostly down to Lange. He got the plaundits last summer so he deserves to be asked some questions for this window. I agree but that does not explain the piss poor tactics, persisting with the wrong formation and the attitude of the disinterested players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Rodgers had a falling out with the Celtic hierarchy IIRC? Does anyone yet know why Terry departed this summer? Apparently got a rollocking off Purslow for influencing Grealish to go to Man City. Rok followed him out. See this is it, Dean don't really do the coaching, he over sees it. Which is why it's gone pear now Shaky and Danks have come in. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Advised JG to leave so was told to F*** off himself, more or less. Pretty much on the Money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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