dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I still think if we had better quality on the bench he’d be less reluctant to make earlier changes. I distinctly remember Brentford fans mentioning that we will be frustrated at his lack of use of substitutions too, for whatever it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I distinctly remember Brentford fans mentioning that we will be frustrated at his lack of use of substitutions too, for whatever it's worth. Interesting. Maybe one of the journalists may ask him the question about subs in the next press conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Interesting. Maybe one of the journalists may ask him the question about subs in the next conference Journo : " So Dean, there has been a highly contentious debate about your substitution methods on popular fansite Villatalk" "Deano: " So you're seriously going to sit here and ask me to take solid opinion from a group of @useless @Pissflaps? " Edited February 1, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 57 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I distinctly remember Brentford fans mentioning that we will be frustrated at his lack of use of substitutions too, for whatever it's worth. I had a quick look through Brentford's 17/18 season reports on Wikipedia. It looks to me like at the start of the season he was often just doing a couple of subs towards the end of the game (or for injured players), which is what he's been doing here this season. So yes, it is a thing that pre-dates his time here and probably nothing to do with Shakespeare. But then towards the end of the 17/18 season he started doing the more conventional 3 subs around 60-75 mins. So perhaps it's to do with fatigue levels? I wonder if he just feels the players haven't played enough games yet to need resting (and doesn't rate his bench options much, anyway). He also seems more inclined to make subs when his team is losing. The big test will be what he does if Sanson turns out to be as good as hoped, because then he really does have a genuine selection dilemma and the option of 4-1-4-1, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 (flat 3) all become available to him which are all formations we know he likes using. Might start to see more tinkering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Zatman said: Man City have made 41 subs in the league this season, we have made 38. West Brom and Sheffield United have made 61 They rotate before games we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I still think if we had better quality on the bench he’d be less reluctant to make earlier changes. We have plenty good quality. Acting as if Trez wasn't a key part of our early season run. El ghazi scored 5 goals in 6 games. Hause proved he is more than capable as a defender against Chelsea. Nakamba had some of the best defensive stats in the league last season. Elmo is Elmo. Ramsey seems to get better every time he plays. Etc. Saying we don't have quality is a myth. We have at least 5 serviceable back ups on our bench and we should use them more frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, KentVillan said: I had a quick look through Brentford's 17/18 season reports on Wikipedia. It looks to me like at the start of the season he was often just doing a couple of subs towards the end of the game (or for injured players), which is what he's been doing here this season. So yes, it is a thing that pre-dates his time here and probably nothing to do with Shakespeare. But then towards the end of the 17/18 season he started doing the more conventional 3 subs around 60-75 mins. So perhaps it's to do with fatigue levels? I wonder if he just feels the players haven't played enough games yet to need resting (and doesn't rate his bench options much, anyway). He also seems more inclined to make subs when his team is losing. The big test will be what he does if Sanson turns out to be as good as hoped, because then he really does have a genuine selection dilemma and the option of 4-1-4-1, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 (flat 3) all become available to him which are all formations we know he likes using. Might start to see more tinkering. If he doesn't rate his bench options why didn't we sign another player then? Or bring someone in on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: We have plenty good quality. Acting as if Trez wasn't a key part of our early season run. El ghazi scored 5 goals in 6 games. Hause proved he is more than capable as a defender against Chelsea. Nakamba had some of the best defensive stats in the league last season. Elmo is Elmo. Ramsey seems to get better every time he plays. Etc. Saying we don't have quality is a myth. We have at least 5 serviceable back ups on our bench and we should use them more frequently. You’re really hung up on this subs thing aren’t you? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KentVillan Posted February 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: If he doesn't rate his bench options why didn't we sign another player then? Or bring someone in on loan? I don't know. Maybe it's more complicated than it is on FIFA. We narrowly avoided relegation last season, we weren't exactly a first choice destination. January window is always a bad time to do business. Next summer we'll have a lot more buying power. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Zatman said: Man City have made 41 subs in the league this season, we have made 38. West Brom and Sheffield United have made 61 .. and how many times have they changed their first 11 compared to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, AV82 said: .. and how many times have they changed their first 11 compared to us? The richest club in PL for over a decade has mixed up their starting line up more than us 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hong0311 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I can recall Deano trying out different formations and moving players in/out of the starting 11 last season. What made him change drastically this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, hong0311 said: I can recall Deano trying out different formations and moving players in/out of the starting 11 last season. What made him change drastically this year? He found a formation and team that can win games? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 hours ago, MotoMkali said: Saying we don't have quality is a myth. We have at least 5 serviceable back ups on our bench and we should use them more frequently. Think people just differ in their definition of quality. I would call none of those quality. They are capable and I'd argue all of them have played above expected ability when called upon.. most likely due to good man management and being played good by very good team mates. Not saying they can't contribute, but some of these players need to be replaced in my opinion, as they are just not good enough for where we want to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, hong0311 said: I can recall Deano trying out different formations and moving players in/out of the starting 11 last season. What made him change drastically this year? Probably all the losses and the relegation battle (if you weren't being delightfully sarcastic) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 hours ago, MotoMkali said: They rotate before games we don't. They are also going to play more games than us this season and played more last season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 AEG must be kicking himself. What does he have to do to be in instead of Ross? Score 10 in a row? Dean has one weakness and that is not subbing when our team is clearly spent. It nearly cost us 3 points on Saturday. Marvelous and AEG on for McGinn and Ross would give us energy and pace for counters when Southampton bullied us in the last 15 mins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, magnkarl said: AEG must be kicking himself. What does he have to do to be in instead of Ross? Not play where Jack grealish does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Not play where Jack grealish does 43 games RW vs 40 LW for Villa Still remember this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, magnkarl said: AEG must be kicking himself. What does he have to do to be in instead of Ross? Score 10 in a row? Dean has one weakness and that is not subbing when our team is clearly spent. It nearly cost us 3 points on Saturday. Marvelous and AEG on for McGinn and Ross would give us energy and pace for counters when Southampton bullied us in the last 15 mins. I think Barkley had something in his contract or the very least a mutual agreement with Smith in regards to playing time. And that was an integral part in how we got the deal done in the first place. Yes conspiracy theory, but considering he keeps getting picked after playing poorly and Anwar getting dropped when playing superbly do support this theory. Barkley played well last game though. Long may it continue. Edited February 1, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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