VillanousOne Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I think the reality is that players will get tired and injured, at the moment it feels like Dean is determined to run some players into the ground rather than give others a chance. You can understand that to an extent because our squad depths isn't great, but it's not that poor either. Players like El Ghazi, Connor, Nakamba even Guilbert and Hause can just about do a job when needed and sometimes Dean just has to learn when to make those changes or substitutions better. I personally would be happy if we pulled off a few dour draws once in a while rather than a constant mentality of gamble everything for the win and getting turned over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, VillanousOne said: I think the reality is that players will get tired and injured, at the moment it feels like Dean is determined to run some players into the ground rather than give others a chance. You can understand that to an extent because our squad depths isn't great, but it's not that poor either. Players like El Ghazi, Connor, Nakamba even Guilbert and Hause can just about do a job when needed and sometimes Dean just has to learn when to make those changes or substitutions better. I personally would be happy if we pulled off a few dour draws once in a while rather than a constant mentality of gamble everything for the win and getting turned over. Unfair IMO. The bench isn't just about good enough, it isn't good enough. I'm glad we've got a manager who wants to win games. Defensive, dour football takes it's toll and you don't even want to watch the team after a while. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Unfair IMO. The bench isn't just about good enough, it isn't good enough. I'm glad we've got a manager who wants to win games. Defensive, dour football takes it's toll and you don't even want to watch the team after a while. You've just cherry picked bits of my argument to construct your own argument. I don't want players burning out, i have more belief in the squad we have than you, i'd rather our defenders didn't press so high up the pitch that we concede comedy goals. Nowhere did I say I wanted us to play defensive dour football week in week out for 90 mins, I am talking about if we have three or more tired players, rather than risk a loss or injury to those players we rotate a few or make substitutions a bit earlier to try and get a result. It's funny how last season some of these players were good enough to save us from relegation, but now they 'aren't good enough' to even be on the bench, how Connor played in the first four wins, but now 'isn't good enough'. But rather than be balanced and say some of the squad players are quite capable on their day and can do a job even if no-one would deny we need better players, it's 'everyone is garbage and not good enough' or nothing. Edited November 28, 2020 by VillanousOne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Even the best teams have to grind a result out occasionally are we somehow above that now? Edited November 28, 2020 by VillanousOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: You've just cherry picked bits of my argument to construct your own argument. I don't want players burning out, i have more belief in the squad we have than you, i'd rather our defenders didn't press so high up the pitch that we concede comedy goals. Nowhere did I say I wanted us to play defensive dour football week in week out for 90 mins, I am talking about if we have three or more tired players, rather than risk a loss or injury to those players we rotate a few or make substitutions a bit earlier to try and get a result. It's funny how last season some of these players were good enough to save us from relegation, but now they 'aren't good enough' to even be on the bench, how Connor played in the first four wins, but now 'isn't good enough'. But rather than be balanced and say some of the squad players are quite capable on their day and can do a job even if no-one would deny we need better players, it's 'everyone is garbage and not good enough' or nothing. Yes, last year they were good enough to pull off an absolute miracle, making the best of a once-in-history mid-season reset to stay up by a point. Boils down to the bold bit really doesn't it. I don't think they're good enough no. Neither does Smith it seems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Yes, last year they were good enough to pull off an absolute miracle, making the best of a once-in-history mid-season reset to stay up by a point. Boils down to the bold bit really doesn't it. I don't think they're good enough no. Neither does Smith it seems. Fair enough, I disagree, even if that is out of blind hope more than anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 4 hours ago, sparrow1988 said: That's a bit much, he's not going around ****ing hookers and snorting Colombian marching powder from the cracks of their arses. He might just have taken the dropping to heart and took a while to get his morale back up and is now putting in some good performances in training. He comes across as a bit sensitive and someone who needs a bit of an arm around the shoulder if something goes wrong or he doesn't play well. He never struck me as someone with a serious attitude problem. Yeah, probably a better way of putting it (talking about the second paragraph, rather than the first). He didn't benefit from no competition. He didn't benefit from lots of competition. I agree he needs handling in a specific way in both of those situations, that we haven't managed to achieve so far. Perhaps we were too easy on him in the former situation and too harsh on him in the latter. Hope we've managed to figure out a way that gets the best out of him, although he's not blameless in the matter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Unfair IMO. The bench isn't just about good enough, it isn't good enough. I'm glad we've got a manager who wants to win games. Defensive, dour football takes it's toll and you don't even want to watch the team after a while. Ain't that the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Unfair IMO. The bench isn't just about good enough, it isn't good enough. I'm glad we've got a manager who wants to win games. Defensive, dour football takes it's toll and you don't even want to watch the team after a while. That isn't what he is saying. I disagree about aiming for draws even if we take players off. For me draws should only be reserved for if you are making a comeback. If you are in front you need to see the game out. But his broader point is correct Smith needs more rotation and our depth isn't terrible. Yes most of our players are specialists and aren't well rounded enough to be playing 90mins against top sides but hourihane and nakamba have games they are suited for. Nakamba for when we are in the lead and to see the game out. And hourihane to chase the game with his set pieces. But both can play 60-70mins fairly capably as well as long as we sub them off. Hause is great in the air and at winning loose ball. Guilbert was actually very solid for large parts of last season and I don't understand why he has been dropped. Traore/Trez, and el ghazi are all different wingers but can all contribute to winning I think. The only places we don't have real depth is lb and upfront and upfront us only because wesley is out injured. But that isn't that much worse than most of the sides aiming for 12-8th range and even if our first 11 is better than that it isn't terrible. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 28/11/2020 at 16:44, sparrow1988 said: That's a bit much, he's not going around ****ing hookers and snorting Colombian marching powder from the cracks of their arses. He might just have taken the dropping to heart and took a while to get his morale back up and is now putting in some good performances in training. He comes across as a bit sensitive and someone who needs a bit of an arm around the shoulder if something goes wrong or he doesn't play well. He never struck me as someone with a serious attitude problem. Sounds like a wicked time all night long when and where does this lovely event start, hookers, snorting columbian white with abit of ass eating, take me to heaven now .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I dont rate Ghazi to be fair, hes what banged a load of goals in the championship and one that helped get us up. People rave and rate him for that but to be fair we need to rate him for last season a d his time this season and hes yet to prove that hes worth a spot IMO!!! I would sooner play the youth that Ghazi and the same goes for other fringe stars. I am all for Ghazi coming on and proving himself but everytime he does, it such a bore watching him and he does nothing because hes nullified everytime by what is obvious a much better class of player. Should be sold to make some money and bring a much better class of player into our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) On 28/11/2020 at 19:01, Tomaszk said: Yes, last year they were good enough to pull off an absolute miracle, making the best of a once-in-history mid-season reset to stay up by a point. Boils down to the bold bit really doesn't it. I don't think they're good enough no. Neither does Smith it seems. Guys like Hause, Nakamba and Hourihane obviously aren't good enough to start 20 games + in premier league if we want to do anything in the top half but I too don't quite get the blind panic if they have to come in for a game or two just to freshen things up. Team is much more settled now with a far better keeper than we had post January, settled midfield and very promising striker which again we badly lacked second half of last season so seems more ideal now to stick a Hourihane or Nakamba in especially given Barkley injury. Our strongest 11 has just lost three straight home games so it's not quite top 6 level just yet. Perhaps the curveball tonight will be El Ghazi actually starting, we'll see in three hours. Edited November 30, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Hide and seek world champ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Hide and seek world champ. Two of the all-time greats him and Hourihane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Gets a chance off the bench, didn’t hear his name once on commentary, had high hopes for him after seeing him at ajax but he’s dreadful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I've questioned his mentality. But it takes balls to win us the game with a late pen with pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Let's go, nerves of steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 On the pen: I noticed the keeper stepped over his line. Would it be re-taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Ronaldo esque penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Start him next game. What an excellent mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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