LondonLax Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Chindie said: In fairness Rage Against the Machine are pretty much inherently political. It's even in the name. All their songs are political critiques. I assume that was the joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Has this conflict always been like this, or is it because of social media and camera phones that i am a lot more aware of both sides of the story? Or maybe i'm just a bit older now and when i was younger i didn't give really care if it didn't affect me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) Watch the documentary 5 broken cameras Its nothing new and gives you a good idea as to what they do and how they do it From memory the most shocking thing about that was the land grabbing and settlement rights, imagine waking up one morning to find a guy had built a shed in your back garden... Now imagine if the laws of your country meant that that shed means that your back garden now belongs to him... Edited May 14, 2021 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Unfortunately it's very recently been removed from 4OD but if you can find it anywhere, the 2011 Channel 4 drama series The Promise is a brilliant back story to the conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Watch the documentary 5 broken cameras Its nothing new and gives you a good idea as to what they do and how they do it Have a friend who's lived down there and made 2 documentaries called Welcome to Hebron and Israel vs Israel, they are both worth the watch if you can find them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I'd love to know how this is being discussed at leadership levels in Israel. Previous gems include "cutting the grass", which has been used to describe these type of assaults on the Gaza concentration camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 As if they needed it this is the perfect excuse for Israel to deny the Palestinian population Covid vaccination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2021 58 minutes ago, ender4 said: Has this conflict always been like this, or is it because of social media and camera phones that i am a lot more aware of both sides of the story? Or maybe i'm just a bit older now and when i was younger i didn't give really care if it didn't affect me personally. It's been like this particularly for the past 25 years or so. The Intifada era - intifida means 'rebellion, uprising' in Arabic, and has been used to describe the major moments of unrest in the conflict since the 90s, most notably the al-Aqsa Intifada which started in 2001 and ran on and off for 5 years. Looking into this whole conflict the actions of Israel will open your eyes. Randomly sniping people at checkpoints, collective punishments such as bulldozing the houses of relatives of Palestinians they have convicted (including times where they did so with buildings still occupied), stealing land by building settlements on it against international law and then making them legal, the long running tactic of assassinating opposition leaders with missiles regardless of the collateral damage. They have literally made non-Jews who are lucky enough to live in Israel and not what's left of Palestine second class citizens. Literally. It's disgusting. And it's just waived through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Has this conflict always been like this, or is it because of social media and camera phones that i am a lot more aware of both sides of the story? Or maybe i'm just a bit older now and when i was younger i didn't give really care if it didn't affect me personally. I skip read this one book (well, two there was an old and a new testament) and it appears it’s been going on for quite some time. Pre dates their even being Muslims, which puts a bit of a different spin on it all being because of religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, darrenm said: Unfortunately it's very recently been removed from 4OD but if you can find it anywhere, the 2011 Channel 4 drama series The Promise is a brilliant back story to the conflict. And another is this documentary by Louis Theroux. It used to be on the BBC and Netflix but has disappeared off both. Now I can only find it on Vimeo https://vimeo.com/102569427 Edit just to be clear, this documentary is about 'ultra Zionists' who are not representative of all Israelis. Edited May 14, 2021 by darrenm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) Years of persecution and discrimination with no answers leads to groups like Hamas. Freedom fighters to some, terrorist organisations to others. Israel will feel like they have no choice but to wipe them out and feel they are able to justify this as an attack on terror. In the meantime thousands of innocent people lose their lives. Similar happened in Punjab during the 80s and 90s although never to this extent. Unfortunately the world will just watch on. Edited May 14, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Years of persecution and discrimination with no answers leads to groups like Hamas. Freedom fighters to some, terrorist organisations to others. Israel will feel like they have no choice but to wipe them out and feel they are able to justify this as an attack on terror. In the meantime thousands of innocent people lose their lives. Similar happened in Punjab during the 90s although never to this extent. Now i have to ask - what happened in Punjab in the 90's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, ender4 said: Now i have to ask - what happened in Punjab in the 90's? Years of discrimination and lack of funding to Punjab from Indian government led to separatist groups which wanted an independent state for Sikhs. These groups were eventually labelled as terrorists and an attack was conducted on the Golden Temple (Sikhs holiest temple) by the Indian Army as this where the so called terrorists were hiding. Inexplicably a holy day was chosen so the crowds were larger than ever. Many innocent died. Throughout the 80s to 90s there was a crackdown on any suspected separatism which led to many young Sikh men being murdered and buried in mass graves. It was like a purge. Amongst this the Indian Prime minister at the time was murdered by her Sikh bodyguards in a revenge attack. This led to riots in Delhi and an attempted genocide of Sikhs in the city. Thousands murdered whilst police looked on. The world just watched. Edited May 15, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Wish some more Palestinians could move to Oslo. Their food is magic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted May 15, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 Lavazza trying to get Elneny fined and suspended by Arsenal for posting his support of Palestine on twitter isn't really working out for them. Arsenal fans are organising boycotts of Lavazza products and fans of the other club that Lavazza are associated with, Liverpool, have reacted in exactly the way you'd expect. You do wonder sometimes if companies live in a bubble so far away from common sense that they can call for the suspension of an employee of a company they don't control, on the basis of a personal opinion that the human being expressed in his personal space, on an issue that is f*** all to do with them - and not realise that the general public aren't going to support them in it. So yeah, f*** off Lavazza. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 15, 2021 Israel have bombed and destroyed the building housing the Associated Press and Al Jazeera today. I think that tells its own story. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Israel have bombed and destroyed the building housing the Associated Press and Al Jazeera today. I think that tells its own story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Israel have bombed and destroyed the building housing the Associated Press and Al Jazeera today. I think that tells its own story. Israel is a terrorist state. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted May 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War#Attacks_on_journalists Not the first time that Israel has committed this specific war crime, either. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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