Marvel Cinematic Universe

[kidlewis]

On 16/12/2021 at 08:18, desensitized43 said:

I had the same. It always makes me quite uncomfortable when you get people cheering and clapping in a cinema. Just feels really wrong to me.

Same here. Plus three really obnoxious knobs in showcase Coventry. Swear they were regularly going to the loo to do lines. Unless they all had UTI infections.

it did deserve a few whoops, up there with CA and the hammer grab. 

[Eidolon]

4 hours ago, Chindie said:

Hmm.

I’d love to know if that mirror strange is the same one we saw in the What If? Disney+ series. Would definitely make them feel a whole lot more significant all of a sudden

[Designer1]

5 hours ago, Eidolon said:

I’d love to know if that mirror strange is the same one we saw in the What If? Disney+ series. Would definitely make them feel a whole lot more significant all of a sudden

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Mephisto?

 

[Rds1983]

5 hours ago, Designer1 said:

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Mephisto?

 

Personally Id guess:

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Nightmare 

 

[Chindie]

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Nightmare was the original rumoured villain, I could see them having that be kept that way.

There's been loads of references that can refer to Mephisto on the stuff they've done in Phase 4 so far, but it seems that, post Loki, the new 'big bad' is Kang across the multiverse. I can't see them doing Mephisto as a one and done, if they even consider doing him at all. So sadly I'm guessing probably not him.

We know from the trailer there's at least 2 classic Strange villains - Mordo and what looked like Shuma-Gorath, but toys that have been revealed show its actually Gargantos, who's a nothing-y character so is probably just a set piece threat. There's precedent for an evil Strange (most - too? - recently in What If?) but it would be a bold move to have an alternate universe Strange as the villain, or perhaps even use use the entire concept of the Multiverse as a overarching threat and Evil Strange is just another manifestation of it.

My money at the moment is it on being Nightmare still ultimately.

Strange 2 thoughts

[Rds1983]

2 hours ago, Chindie said:

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Nightmare was the original rumoured villain, I could see them having that be kept that way.

There's been loads of references that can refer to Mephisto on the stuff they've done in Phase 4 so far, but it seems that, post Loki, the new 'big bad' is Kang across the multiverse. I can't see them doing Mephisto as a one and done, if they even consider doing him at all. So sadly I'm guessing probably not him.

We know from the trailer there's at least 2 classic Strange villains - Mordo and what looked like Shuma-Gorath, but toys that have been revealed show its actually Gargantos, who's a nothing-y character so is probably just a set piece threat. There's precedent for an evil Strange (most - too? - recently in What If?) but it would be a bold move to have an alternate universe Strange as the villain, or perhaps even use use the entire concept of the Multiverse as a overarching threat and Evil Strange is just another manifestation of it.

My money at the moment is it on being Nightmare still ultimately.

Strange 2 thoughts

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Shuma Goroth makes me think it will be Nightmare. The multiverse gives an easy way to do his dimension and set him up. The Evil Strange is too similar to the What Ifs, it will be used by someone pretending to be him (I.E. what is Stranger's biggest fear). Though this helps set up my theory for the phase 4 big bad. 

I think Mephisto would be introduced in a Ghost Rider film as it seems the easiest way to do so. 

I actually think the big bad of phase 4 is actually the Avengers themselves. We've already seen this starting with Wandavision, FaWS, What Ifs, Loki, and Hawkeye and the foundations for it were set in Avengers AoU. 

 

[Bizzzle]

Just got back from watching no way home and it was brilliant. Top tier Marvel for me 8/10

[Chindie]

Finished off Hawkeye.

Decent end to a good series. It's very much a side story but it's the kind of thing the Disney+ stuff should be good for. Introduction and implementation of characters in smaller stories.

Good action, fun, pretty, good performances, can't complain.

[Rds1983]

8 hours ago, Chindie said:

Finished off Hawkeye.

Decent end to a good series. It's very much a side story but it's the kind of thing the Disney+ stuff should be good for. Introduction and implementation of characters in smaller stories.

Good action, fun, pretty, good performances, can't complain.

I finished it off last night too. Really enjoyed it and possibly my favourite out of the Disney+ shows. 

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Yelena was great, same as in Black Widow. Thought her dinner scene with Kate was very good. 

Kingpin seemed more of a traditional take then previously and had the size and power. It's just a shame that D'Onofrio is in his 60s now as that took away from his auras omewhat. 

Eleanor's ark was predictable but Swordsman was fun. 

 

[Rolta]

Just wanted to add to the praise, but I really enjoyed Hawkeye. There was some great writing (except for the dialogue in the prologue) and great directing for this kind of genre. It really hit the spot for me. This and Loki are the two top-tier Marvel shows for me. Wandavision was enjoyable too. They've done well expanding on the films with these shows. Even Falcon and the Winter Soldier had some good to it, though I think the dialogue was a bit forced especially in the first few episodes.

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[Rds1983]

1 hour ago, Rolta said:

Just wanted to add to the praise, but I really enjoyed Hawkeye. There was some great writing (except for the dialogue in the prologue) and great directing for this kind of genre. It really hit the spot for me. This and Loki are the two top-tier Marvel shows for me. Wandavision was enjoyable too. They've done well expanding on the films with these shows. Even Falcon and the Winter Soldier had some good to it, though I think the dialogue was a bit forced especially in the first few episodes.

I actually enjoyed Falcon more then Loki to be honest. Felt Loki was trying too hard and had seen too many people hyping it up beforehand. 

[Chindie]

@PieFacE

That's a bit of a marathon, nice one. I probably wouldn't have skipped Guardians but glad you enjoyed it overall.

I agree on that scene in Endgame, I've never liked it. I appreciate the message behind it, but it's done so badly I hate it. And I'm not the biggest fan of Captain Marvel either.

[PieFacE]

1 hour ago, Chindie said:

@PieFacE

That's a bit of a marathon, nice one. I probably wouldn't have skipped Guardians but glad you enjoyed it overall.

I agree on that scene in Endgame, I've never liked it. I appreciate the message behind it, but it's done so badly I hate it. And I'm not the biggest fan of Captain Marvel either.

Ah so I had already seen the first Iron Man, Thor and Guardians films so kinda knew the stories of those so didn't include them in this session as there was enough to watch as it is. 

Half tempted to watch the Captian Marvel just to know where she came from but..... not sure I can watch another. Need a break haha. 

[Chindie]

3 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

Ah so I had already seen the first Iron Man, Thor and Guardians films so kinda knew the stories of those so didn't include them in this session as there was enough to watch as it is. 

Half tempted to watch the Captian Marvel just to know where she came from but..... not sure I can watch another. Need a break haha. 

Ah fair enough, makes sense.

Err... Captain Marvel is a weird one. The character has never been that big of a deal, despite being around forever in various guises, and it's only really in the last decade or so she's been pushed as anything beyond an also ran. The problem is partly she has incredibly generic powers (and is overpowered) and partly her character is really quite unlikeable, everything I've read with her in the last decade or so she's just a military hard ass.

The film really only has a couple of purposes. Firstly Marvel has a fairly limited cache of female heroes, and very few that can be considered universal powers, and even less that weren't tied up in rights they didn't have (weirdly most of the best female heroes they have are associated with X-Men, for instance). So they had a very small range of characters to dig into for a female fronted movie, which they needed as the MCU was a bit of a sausage fest.

Secondly they needed to dig themselves out of a corner with the plot they wanted to do, so needed a very powerful character. And they also knew they needed to have some introduction to post-Endgame developments, on a few fronts - contracts of the established characters were ending and needed replacing, and they needed things to let people know that Endgame wasn't the end of the MCU. So they killed 2 birds with 1 stone, bring in a powerful female character, who fills a couple of roles in the Avengers lineup, and the plot starts things that will be a bigger deal post-Endgame.

But it's not a great film. It has good elements, there's some quite beautiful sequences, it has a good chase scene, it has surprisingly good villains, Samuel L Jackson on form and a great early 90s alt soundtrack, but the character is duff, the story isn't much cop and it's big thing is cool but feels underbaked. 

You ain't missing much.

[mikeyp102]

Right. Can catch up on this thread after avoiding it because of Spiderman and not seeing spoilers, but watched that at the weekend. 
 

Firstly, Hawkeye. I really enjoyed it, probably one of the best Disney marvel series. A lot better than FATW for me. I thought it was a really well done piece, filled out the role of Hawkeye more, giving more Character development. 
 

I know some didn’t like Kate Bishop or the actress, but I thought she did a very good role. But the star of the show was Yelena she was brilliant. 
 

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Having not seen all of the Netflix marvel ones, I was surprised at how strong they made Kingpin and was surprised they went for the same actor to play him. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a second series. 
 

Now moving onto Spiderman. A good film, thought it was slow to begin with but once it got going it was good. 

Ned, Peter and MJ have great chemistry, you can see that they get on outside of this role.

I’ll add spoilers in for the rest

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Again surprised at Matt Murdock, are they now saying the Netflix stuff are the same universe?
 

The interaction between the 3 spideys was great and I think Garfield shone which is surprising considering how bad his films were. Dafoe and Molina both great at their roles. 
Im still not convinced Jamie Foxx was right though, he’s too suave and cool for it. 
I’m also not convinced Dr Strange would have done the spell, seems very out of character for him. 

 

 

[sne]

 

[Rds1983]

9 hours ago, sne said:

 

Honestly think I'm starting to prefer the 'Ryanverse' more than the MCU. 

[Demitri_C]

Do they intend to do second seasons of all these marvel shows like loki, falcon etc ?

Also is there any plans to revive daredevil, punisher etc? These were great shows

[Chindie]

Eternals made its way to Disney+ today and I've just managed to watch it.

Ooft.

I don't think you can call it objectively bad. It's a bit of a heroic failure though. It tries to tell a story that's too big for a single film and in doing so undermines itself terminally. Which is a shame because there's good stuff here. The concept offers a lot of scope to do really cool grand ideas, and it probably needs that to sell the characters and the concept itself.

The plot follows the Eternals, an alien group who are sent to Earth around 5000 BC by a Celestial, to protect humanity from destruction by evil life forms called Deviants. In time, the Eternals complete their task, wiping of their enemy, and the memory of their actions form the legends of many civilisations, like Icarus and Gilgamesh, and they themselves hide amongst humanity. In the present day, a Deviant suddenly appears in London, causing the band to need to get back together...

This is only the premise of Eternals, and the plot has a number of turns to make before it ends after 2.5hrs. And that's the biggest problem really. Eternals brings a whole new side to the MCU, and with it brings 10 new characters, new enemies, has to do an introduction for all of it, and then goes through some serious Plot at a fair old pace. And as a result nothing carries weight. There is a great opportunity to look at these characters and make us care about them. The characters are the basis of myth and legend for many civilisations, but we don't really see that at all. I don't get the chance to care about a guy who punch real hard called Gilgamesh. And we don't really get to ponder the conflicts they can present outside of short, rare scenes - the Eternal who specialises in the creation of technology is shown confronting what his abilities lead humanity to, but it's done so quickly and with so little subtlety it carries no weight and actually makes the scene feel token, inappropriate even. If we had seen a greater development of that character and given more time to them, that scene and they character may be elevated to something emotionally powerful and worthy. Instead it falls flat.

And that's the fundamental issue really. I can see how you take this film and make it into something that, potentially, is pretty brilliant. But you'd need a mini series. You need to establish the Eternals, as a 'thing' and as characters individually, and do the various plot beats the movie does over a few episodes. Doing it in less than 3hrs doesn't work and it saps all of the weight from it. And then you combine in a few of the other issues and it becomes this messy hodge podge that doesn't really match it's ambition. Those other issues are all fairly minor on their own - the art design is crap, the Deviants are rubbish, it's action is a bit low end for Marvel, Kit Harrington's character is there purely to set him up for the future and adds nothing otherwise, it's opening act is terrible, Richard Madden and Gemma Chan have no chemistry and Madden in particular is all over the shop (scene to scene he seems to go from decent performance to absolutely dreadful wooden dead eyed toneless crap) - but combined with the air shot that the rest of the film is, and it comes across as a bit of a stinker.

Which is a shame because there is good stuff here. There's some lovely cinematography. There are those fleeting glimpses of something more weighty. And it's undeniably ambitious. But it's a swing and a miss unfortunately.

[villa4europe]

Watched it tonight, I thought it was alright, nowhere near as bad as I was expecting, maybe a 7/10 film

I think my biggest problem throughout is that it felt pointless, unlike say GotG which was all new and off in a new direction it still felt like the future for marvel and exciting, this doesn't, this feels like a massive stretch that doesn't link well with everything else and I don't think it will be the future of the MCU, it felt stand alone, too stand alone to be yet but strangely if it wasn't MCU or DC and it was some new pretender in its own world I think I'd have enjoyed it a lot more