Zatman Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: But that doesn't equate to good players having some kind of anti-management traits. That's a ludicrous statement arrived at from some simplistic confirmation bias. Everyone knows Henry or anyone similar would be a risk. I think those in favour are just sick of the same old. I for one think it's a hell of a risk, but at least it'll be interesting. And the main thing is you'd hope he has ambition to actually try to play some form of attacking football. But yeah of course it'd be a risk—but not because he was a good player. Everybody that has worked with Roy Keane has said that he expects players to be as good as he was and I think a few other ex-pros have had same issue. Henry might be able to get his ideas across to Lukaku, Hazard and De Bruyne because they are close to his level as a player. Remember Henry was a demanding player as well Will he have the patience to work with Jedinak, Whelan and Kodjia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, One For The Road said: He had managed Valencia and Porto before Wolves. Henry has managed nobody. Ever. That's a massive difference. They all have to start somewhere.....and if they go on to big things it means the start was good. have faith. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 41 minutes ago, TRO said: well, I would hazard a guess the wherewithal of the owners may have a bearing on that. Is that an ITK hint? Martinez DOF, Henry and Terry coaching staff and, with the Belgium connection and leverage, Eden Hazard coming in January? I like it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I want this resolved ASAP! Sick of refreshing! Kodjia is a quality player who requires some guidance, I think he'd perform better in a team with far more structure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TRO said: They all have to start somewhere.....and if they go on to big things it means the start was good. have faith. Faith is believing in something without sufficient evidence. I don't have faith in anything. I have beliefs based on the available evidence. In the absence of any evidence to suggest Henry will make a good manager, I would rather hire someone who has proven himself. Not one of the old school merry go round types, but someone who has done a good job somewhere and has some fresh ideas. I'd like to see Smith or Rodgers given the job. Edited October 8, 2018 by One For The Road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: Everybody that has worked with Roy Keane has said that he expects players to be as good as he was and I think a few other ex-pros have had same issue. Henry might be able to get his ideas across to Lukaku, Hazard and De Bruyne because they are close to his level as a player. Remember Henry was a demanding player as well Will he have the patience to work with Jedinak, Whelan and Kodjia If he hasn't he can sell them. Simple as. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Ingram85 said: Before rocking up to his new job with us he has one last mission with Belgium... ‘Eh Bobby, wat is za brummie for va va voom”? Or was it? "Listen, I will say this only once. Hands off the Villa job it's JT's and mine!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westholmevillan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Zatman said: Everybody that has worked with Roy Keane has said that he expects players to be as good as he was and I think a few other ex-pros have had same issue. Henry might be able to get his ideas across to Lukaku, Hazard and De Bruyne because they are close to his level as a player. Remember Henry was a demanding player as well Will he have the patience to work with Jedinak, Whelan and Kodjia No need as they will be gone after we are promoted in May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, TRO said: Now that would equally be a gamble.....How many clubs has he failed at? One of the best managers around at convincing folk that a defeat is ok Which boxer would you back..... One that has had 30 wins with 7 defeats or One with very few fights but never beaten. There is NO sure bet.....but In my experience watching Villa , I am now at the point that an opportunity to have a freshness from negativity, is more of an attraction that experience that includes iffy spells. Lets be honest....who had heard of Nuno, BEFORE he went to Wolves Humbly, I accept the manager with the 76.7% win rate!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westholmevillan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, John said: Or was it? "Listen, I will say this only once. Hands off the Villa job it's JT's and mine!" Or was it...I want Hazard, Dear Bruyne and any spare CBs you have to join our great club in January....just convince them Thierry it's in you're job description! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Edit- just hearsay I saw on Facebook Edited October 8, 2018 by sir_gary_cahill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Martinez is fecking useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Zatman said: Everybody that has worked with Roy Keane has said that he expects players to be as good as he was and I think a few other ex-pros have had same issue. Henry might be able to get his ideas across to Lukaku, Hazard and De Bruyne because they are close to his level as a player. Remember Henry was a demanding player as well Will he have the patience to work with Jedinak, Whelan and Kodjia all about man management skills and leadership, he can be as demanding as he likes if his players respect him, roy keane on the other hand running round calling everyone a word removed is then surprised no one wants to be there, his problem is that he cant accept how precious modern day footballers are, that they dont give it everything if they have an excuse not to and that ego stroking is as important as discipline that should also be the experience he has from belgium, their problem isnt trying to teach world class players how to do world class things, its getting them to click and their better players to perform as a unit theres definitely a parallel with the villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, Zatman said: Everybody that has worked with Roy Keane has said that he expects players to be as good as he was and I think a few other ex-pros have had same issue. Henry might be able to get his ideas across to Lukaku, Hazard and De Bruyne because they are close to his level as a player. Remember Henry was a demanding player as well Will he have the patience to work with Jedinak, Whelan and Kodjia Nor should he? Sometimes a little less patience would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, Zatman said: Everybody that has worked with Roy Keane has said that he expects players to be as good as he was and I think a few other ex-pros have had same issue. Henry might be able to get his ideas across to Lukaku, Hazard and De Bruyne because they are close to his level as a player. Remember Henry was a demanding player as well Will he have the patience to work with Jedinak, Whelan and Kodjia JT must have had the patience of a Saint to play alongside Hutton and Elmo after the guys he's used to playing with. I guess it's all about personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larscapaldi Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Tomorrow’s the first training for the Belgians, suppose we’ll know a bit more then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, av1 said: Martinez is fecking useless. If he was called Robert Martin he would be managing a lower club. Talks a great game and has an exotic name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Zatman said: If he was called Robert Martin he would be managing a lower club. Talks a great game and has an exotic name Just heard on the TS news bulletin that Martinez is stalling on a new contract, a d has apparently touted himself for the Real Madrid gig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, One For The Road said: Top players rarely make top managers. Sure there are a few, but for the most part good managers tend to have had very ordinary playing careers. Henry would be a castrophic appointment in my view and I hope it's all just media nonsense. This is not a time to see whether or not Henry will make a good manager or not. Let him test that himself at another club. Guardiola, Zidane, Conte, Ancelloti, Deschamp, Simeone, Capello, Rijkaard, Daglish, Beckenbauer, Del Bosque, Trapattoni, Cryuff. Yes im sure you can list many top players that failed as managers. But then I could also list many ordinary players that failed as managers too. Top player does not equal poor manager and it’s a pretty simplistic way of thinking to suggest it does in my opinion. I do agree with your last sentence though based on the fact he has zero experience. Being a top player has nothing to do with it. Edited October 8, 2018 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 frank rijkaard was a pretty crap manager with a great Barcelona squad in front of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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