TRO Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 33 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: IIRC he wouldn't leave Wigan for us in the Premier League but he would leave Belgium for us in the championship? Weird well, I would hazard a guess the wherewithal of the owners may have a bearing on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jareth said: Let's have Martinez as manager and Henry as assistant. Belgium can then take Mad Mick. Now that I would love. For a start, Martinez is actually a manager which is what we are desperate for right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) It's so reductive to say 'good players rarely make good managers.' It's kind of obvious that being a good player means nothing in this case and that it's an even playing field when it comes to management, that the traits needed to be successful aren't the same between managing and playing. But that doesn't equate to good players having some kind of anti-management traits. That's a ludicrous statement arrived at from some simplistic confirmation bias. Everyone knows Henry or anyone similar would be a risk. I think those in favour are just sick of the same old. I for one think it's a hell of a risk, but at least it'll be interesting. And the main thing is you'd hope he has ambition to actually try to play some form of attacking football. But yeah of course it'd be a risk—but not because he was a good player. This is getting boring. Edited October 8, 2018 by praisedmambo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westholmevillan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, leighavfc said: I have just been told by the courier driver i use at work that JT was at Villa park today. Yes, but was Henry in the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westholmevillan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, sidcow said: I woke my Mrs up with an exciting announcement this morning. Didn't do any good though Headache?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westholmevillan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Mazrim said: To be fair, Henry and Terry might be the best coaches around for all we know. Have you tried National Express? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, One For The Road said: Now that I would love. For a start, Martinez is actually a manager which is what we are desperate for right now. A man who thinks a defence is a redundant part of a football team . If you think we are leaking goals now wait till he gets us... never got the hype with this guy. How he fell into managing a squad with the ability of Belgium is beyond me. Looked tactically clueless and outsmarted until the big boys ( literally) bailed him out against Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, praisedmambo said: It's so reductive to say 'good players rarely make good managers.' It's kind of obvious that being a good player means nothing in this case and that it's an even playing field when it comes to management, that the traits needed to be successful aren't the same between managing and playing. But that doesn't equate to good players having some kind of anti-management traits. That's a ludicrous statement arrived at from some simplistic confirmation bias. Everyone knows Henry or anyone similar would be a risk. I think those in favour are just sick of the same old. I for one think it's a hell of a risk, but at least it'll be interesting. And the main thing is you'd hope he has ambition to actually try to play some form of attacking football. But yeah of course it'd be a risk—but not because he was a good player. This is getting boring. No, it would be a risk because he isn't actually a football manager. This is not a time to be employing a managerial unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, One For The Road said: I can't believe this. It's almost like people have taken leave of their senses. We are in deep shit if we get the next managerial appointment wrong. I mean, serious trouble, unlike at any other time in our history. It could possibly be worse than we can even imagine given our financial position. Given that fact, you want us to hire a manager who has NEVER managed in his life? On the basis that he was a great player. Its utter madness. You can't see it fine. did you hear the mutterings of Kevin Mac....did you read between the lines.....did you see the figure/ stature of Steve Bruce.....we have problems that a seasoned manager is failing with due IMO to ill health and a continued failure to get the basics right in the team......yes basics. What do you mean, if we get the next managerial appointment wrong, since way back when.......We have got them ALL wrong.....This path we have trodden, has grown over....its broken. He has never had any adverse to break his confidence, He has never spent money to create doubt, he is fresh and free from negativity, he is not damaged goods, He will transfer all that to his players. You talk of him being a great player, like it is bestowed on everyone, its magical.....Football is hugely about confidence these proposed 2 will swamp them with that. I liked Steve Bruce as you know, but his persona is like a gun fighter that has met too many on the trail, from town to town another fight another battle scar, another bullet clipping this ear.......I want Billy the Kid, fresh from his youth to take on the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, westholmevillan said: Have you tried National Express? Yes and I'd rather travel on Henry and Terry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Anyway, what's happened to Fonseca and Wenger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Not keen on Martinez. Not that I think its anything other than SKY horseshit. He's overrated and made an absolute bollocks of many of his roles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Nigel said: By 'old school' you mean 'had a job before! Yeah, Pretty much like Lambert, McCleish and Bruce I am not being fooled by what he's doing in the SPL......after all, how many people see a move to the SPL after being in the Premiership as progressing one's career?? Not many !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: A man who thinks a defence is a redundant part of a football team . If you think we are leaking goals now wait till he gets us... never got the hype with this guy. How he fell into managing a squad with the ability of Belgium is beyond me. Looked tactically clueless and outsmarted until the big boys ( literally) bailed him out against Japan. With the state of our squad, attack is the best form of defence at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, One For The Road said: Now that I would love. For a start, Martinez is actually a manager which is what we are desperate for right now. Now that would equally be a gamble.....How many clubs has he failed at? One of the best managers around at convincing folk that a defeat is ok Which boxer would you back..... One that has had 30 wins with 7 defeats or One with very few fights but never beaten. There is NO sure bet.....but In my experience watching Villa , I am now at the point that an opportunity to have a freshness from negativity, is more of an attraction that experience that includes iffy spells. Lets be honest....who had heard of Nuno, BEFORE he went to Wolves Edited October 8, 2018 by TRO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 If we are putting our money where our mouth is, and going for a big name, with the promise that whilst we are on our arse now, he is going to be backed...Martinez is the last **** name I would want. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, TRO said: Now that would equally be a gamble.....How many clubs has he failed at? One of the best managers around at convincing folk that a defeat is ok Which boxer would you back..... One that has had 30 wins with 7 defeats or One with very few fights but never beaten. There is NO sure bet.....but In my experience watching Villa , I am now at the point that an opportunity to have a freshness from negativity, is more of an attraction that experience that includes iffy spells. So your basically saying Henry is the lomachenko of the football world. ? Yeah I'll take that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, TRO said: Now that would equally be a gamble.....How many clubs has he failed at? One of the best managers around at convincing folk that a defeat is ok Which boxer would you back..... One that has had 30 wins with 7 defeats or One with very few fights but never beaten. There is NO sure bet.....but In my experience watching Villa , I am now at the point that an opportunity to have a freshness from negativity, is more of an attraction that experience that includes iffy spells. The only manager in the world to get an 'established' PL team relegated, with a whimper, and to be praised for it. He must be an absolute gent in press conferences and really roll the red carpet out for the pundits and media. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 8, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, One For The Road said: Anyway, what's happened to Fonseca and Wenger? They're trying to convince Benitez and Conte to be on their coaching team when they take over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, TRO said: Now that would equally be a gamble.....How many clubs has he failed at? One of the best managers around at convincing folk that a defeat is ok Which boxer would you back..... One that has had 30 wins with 7 defeats or One with very few fights but never beaten. There is NO sure bet.....but In my experience watching Villa , I am now at the point that an opportunity to have a freshness from negativity, is more of an attraction that experience that includes iffy spells. Lets be honest....who had heard of Nuno, BEFORE he went to Wolves He had managed Valencia and Porto before Wolves. Henry has managed nobody. Ever. That's a massive difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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