New Manager Speculation

[GrassyNoel]

He’s a young man in mangerial terms, loves the game, and has played at the highest level under good managers. Most importantly he’ll be ambitious for himself, which in turn will benefit us. No way he’ll want to manage Villa for too long, regardless of what he achieves with us. He’ll want to manage at the very, very top. I like the idea of that level of drive at VP. Fresh air. 

[abdomlahor]

it would be a massive gamble. i think we're lucky to have bruce at this level.

[Kiwivillan]

35 minutes ago, Zatman said:

He had 3 management jobs plus spent time on villa coaching staff

Only Wycombe really. 

[Junxs]

52 minutes ago, abdomlahor said:

it would be a massive gamble. i think we're lucky to have bruce at this level.

I'd take Lenny Henry over Bruce right now, nevermind Thierry Henry

[sheepyvillian]

On 21/07/2018 at 17:22, osmark86 said:

Bring on Henry. Worth a punt if possible because, it's Thierry effing Henry.

It's a gamble, should he come, but one things for sure, he's a born winner with a loving passion for the game of football. Imagine the football we'd play, anything is better than the turgid crap that Bruce serves up.

[villan_007]

2 hours ago, Zatman said:

He spends most his time in England watching Premier League so doubt he knows these Belgian gems unless he streams youth games from home

It's fair enough if you don't fancy him as manager, but you haven't got a scooby what he does with his time and who he watches, so why make up complete nonsense?

Lukaku has already said in a recent interview during the world cup that his knowledge of world football is mind boggling, Including having in-depth knowledge of the German second tier of all things.

Sure he is inexperienced, but we live in a digital world, you can do your own homework. He has wanted to go in this direction for many yrs. Shadowed Wenger in coaching, completed his coaching license with arteta and Vieira. Part of that course is managing a side for a season at u18 level. He got knocked back by Wenger after applying for a coach role there as Wenger didn't want someone he considered a potential rival in future yrs in the role. He even offered to work unpaid for the role, something you also think he wouldn't do is take a pay cut. This proves he would for the right role.

It wasn't a surprise to those following his coaching journey that he landed a high profile role at Belgium, similar to arteta at city.

I don't know if this will turn out for the best,  but why paint a negative picture based on nothing other than you don't want him. He hasn't been sitting in his underpants and suddenly thought I want to be a manager. There is a journey there.

 

[thejoker]

I just hope people don’t get on his back if we’re not in the top 6 after 10 games. If he does come in, he’s got less than 2 weeks to assess the squad, make signings and put over some of his ideas to the team. It’s not going to be easy for him.

Having said that, I’m all for getting rid of Bruce from a football perspective. He was never going to be a long term option for us. He was brought in to get us up quickly. He didn’t. It’s time for us to move on.

[praisedmambo]

5 hours ago, Zatman said:

He spends most his time in England watching Premier League so doubt he knows these Belgian gems unless he streams youth games from home

Lukaku is quoted as saying Henry has crazily deep knowledge about the game. The anecdote was that they, both being obsessed with football and watching all the leagues, had broad discussions on random teams in bundesliga 2 and so on. 

Edit: all said above.

Edited July 24, 2018 by praisedmambo

[villan-scott]

Thierry Henry. Thierry f***ing Henry. Well, he was probably my favourite player growing up. Absolutely loved the guy. His style of play and grace were superb. 

Now, as a pundit and a coach he is highly thought of it seems. Lukaku has praised him for his knowledge and coaching, but I’m not sure there is much else in the public domain?

From a Villa perspective, I can certainly see both sides of the argument. He could well be a great success and be ready made for management. He has to start somewhere, right? 

The flip side is the lack of experience holding him and us back, with nativity and questionable decisions. 

I think he has big enough bollocks and the ability to make this a success. I voted Bruce in in the other thread last night, mainly because he’s a steady hand; however if they do go for Henry, I’m fully behind it. It could well be a master stroke. 

[Tommo_b]

5 hours ago, GrassyNoel said:

He’s a young man in mangerial terms, loves the game, and has played at the highest level under good managers. Most importantly he’ll be ambitious for himself, which in turn will benefit us. No way he’ll want to manage Villa for too long, regardless of what he achieves with us. He’ll want to manage at the very, very top. I like the idea of that level of drive at VP. Fresh air. 

3rd richest club in England? I don’t see why he would want to go anywhere else other then Arsenal. 

[Jareth]

If it is TH then I think it’s worth focusing just as much on what this means for our philosophy going forwards. He doesn’t have to go get us promotion this term but he will probably refresh our squad with young technical players and adopt a style to suit. The existing lads of jack if he stays, COH, Green etc will all thrive in that sort of environment. I think it’s a risk worth taking if we are ever to become a modern club and it doesn’t have to break the bank. 

[Tommo_b]

I imagine Jack and all the players are very fond of Bruce and would be upset to see him leave, but the other side of that is, whose going to want to leave if you got the chance to be coached and managed by Henry!

Edited July 24, 2018 by Tommo_b

[One For The Road]

Talk of Henry as manager is absolutely ridiculous. We are a club in turmoil and stability is what we need. Bringing in a totally inexperienced manager at a time like this is tantamount to professional negligence on the part of the new owners.

This would be like the Remi Garde appointment but without his managerial experience. 

 

 

[terrytini]

1 hour ago, thejoker said:

I just hope people don’t get on his back if we’re not in the top 6 after 10 games. 

Good luck with that 

 

 

There are people on his back and he’s not even here lol !

[Tommo_b]

I feel confident 2 billionaires probably know how to appoint staff to work for them, if Henry is who they have chosen then they have obviously spoken to him and done other research and feel confident he will get us promotion eventually.  

So whoever is in charge I will support.

[cbr600rr]

the games about players, yes a good manager is a help but..this squad is weaker with no snoddy/terry/johnston..

so we have some brand new owners but the problem is spending ££ as ffp not a new manager.

were in a hole as overpaying wages etc, so will new owners pay top doe etc so its the same black hole if no promoted

when the results go bad after 6 games bruce will be sacked, he has spent nothing but 2m last year on whelan & elmo. brought in terry/snoddy/johnston on free & can not get ross out of his house gates yet but hes not a bad manager,he could have walked after wembley but hes here with us-changing manager is a gamble

if the new owners change manager, the new manager will want new players.. how with ffp is the biggest question ???

[sheepyvillian]

5 hours ago, abdomlahor said:

it would be a massive gamble. i think we're lucky to have bruce at this level.

Lucky, how ? Maybe it's the other way around.

[sheepyvillian]

40 minutes ago, Tommo_b said:

3rd richest club in England? I don’t see why he would want to go anywhere else other then Arsenal. 

Probably the fact they have a new manager themselves.

[terrytini]

6 minutes ago, One For The Road said:

Talk of Henry as manager is absolutely ridiculous. We are a club in turmoil and stability is what we need. Bringing in a totally inexperienced manager at a time like this is tantamount to professional negligence on the part of the new owners.

This would be like the Remi Garde appointment but without his managerial experience. 

 

 

I’m never one for rubbishing the views of others so I won’t say what you’ve said is ridiculous. ...

But....

Are we a Club in turmoil ? We narrowly missed promotion, 80% plus  of that squad are still here. We shouldn’t be expecting to be in a relegation fight, and whether we should expect any sort of push for promotion depended almost entirely, in the view of most that I’ve read and heard, on keeping some key players.  So if we are expecting mid table isn’t that the ideal year to experiment ?

 Finances, whilst poor, are now in good hands.

Do we need stability ? I’ve heard we’ve needed that for a while now...maybe we need the opposite ? Maybe we need to stop fretting , worrying, and calming down, and instead need energising, and driving on forward ?

If we do need stability..does Bruce offer that ? Is the Status Quo the same as stability ? Would we be stable if after 7 games we have 7 points like last years start ? Would Bruce get patience from the fans ? I’ve no idea, but I can’t see how any of it is a certainty one way or the other.

Is Henry a “ totally inexperienced Manager “ ? When I was first made a Manager I was both “ totally inexperienced” ( because by definition it was my first Managers job) yet equally I had experience in my profession, years of training, I knew my job, I knew my team members jobs, I had ideas, I had creativity, I had vision.  

And does experience always matter ? I knew of people already managing who had none of those things. 

I can see arguments for Bruce staying. And arguments for appointing Henry ( or ANY other first time Manager). Likewise there are good arguments for a lower League Manager. Not knowing the Owners intentions, I can’t say what I’d like to happen, as the Manager must fit what they want.

But I can’t see any reason why the choice should be rooted in a feeling of the need to batten down the hatches, weather the storm, steady the ship, or any other stormy sea metaphors !

 

 

 

 

[praisedmambo]

Does stability mean stability? Does would mean wouldn't? I think it's obvious.