The Video Assistant Referee (VAR)

[a m ole 5,779]

There is absolutely NO way they can accurately judge that as offside with the technology they have. As I’ve said before not only are the lines being placed roughly but the frame rate isn’t good enough to stop it exactly at the point of contact. Ridiculous call.

[PieFacE 8,387]

4 minutes ago, Chindie said:

The striker's nipple was offside, how dare he! Strike it off!

The midfielder just tried to cripple a winger, the ref gave a yellow though so never mind.

The ball brushed the attacking players forearm hair for a microsecond, scratch off that goal!

That was obviously a complete howler from the ref but he doesn't think so so never mind.

VAR. Totally useless.

Sums it up well.

[Davkaus 12,118]

3 minutes ago, a m ole said:

There is absolutely NO way they can accurately judge that as offside with the technology they have. As I’ve said before not only are the lines being placed roughly but the frame rate isn’t good enough to stop it exactly at the point of contact. Ridiculous call.

Makes me laugh how many people have swallowed the "offside is a matter of fact" line. 

Every game I watch, my frustration with how VAR is used grows. 

[Zatman 17,395]

Week 6 and the season talking point everyweek is not even playing 

[Chindie 8,686]

It's shit.

[KentVillan 1,562]

Really starting to wonder if PGMOL are deliberately doing VAR as badly as possible in order to protect the "elite" high-paid status of the match referee. In no other sport or league is TV reviewing implemented so badly. How are they so incompetent?

The concept of "umpire's call" in cricket is an easy enough one to understand. Have they not involved professional statisticians / sports scientists / forensic specialists, etc. in designing this? Surely they have the budget to get some proper expert advice instead of just winging it?

[Stuartc445 108]

3 hours ago, KentVillan said:

Really starting to wonder if PGMOL are deliberately doing VAR as badly as possible in order to protect the "elite" high-paid status of the match referee. In no other sport or league is TV reviewing implemented so badly. How are they so incompetent?

The concept of "umpire's call" in cricket is an easy enough one to understand. Have they not involved professional statisticians / sports scientists / forensic specialists, etc. in designing this? Surely they have the budget to get some proper expert advice instead of just winging it?

This, The thing is they could have easily have got advice from Rugby who have the TMO and have been through all the teething problems so could have advised how to implement this better.  But I completely agree with the comments about the Premier League wanting it to fail. 

It is clear by the way the Premier League have implemented VAR that they didn't want it so have implemented it it such a terrible way that it is designed to fail.

[Jimzk5 4,056]

The reason for this system was to correct clear and obvious errors, not to freeze frame 2 players on the same line showing a leg hair offside, it they are going to be that tight they need to review if he was offside when the ball left the team mates foot and then annalise it. 

It's shit, especially when the ref has made a clear and obvious **** up, VAR can't intervine because the ref blowed the whistle and the refs decision is final. 

These aren't teething problems, its just shit. 

 

[Stuartc445 108]

1 hour ago, Jimzk5 said:

The reason for this system was to correct clear and obvious errors, not to freeze frame 2 players on the same line showing a leg hair offside, it they are going to be that tight they need to review if he was offside when the ball left the team mates foot and then annalise it. 

It's shit, especially when the ref has made a clear and obvious **** up, VAR can't intervine because the ref blowed the whistle and the refs decision is final. 

These aren't teething problems, its just shit. 

 

That's the problem VAR implemented correctly is a good thing, the reason why it works well in Rugby is because the TMO can overrule the on field Refs decision. Had they asked for advice how to implement it then it'd be working so much better.

It is teething problems because these are problems that should be removed if the authorities didn't want it to fail. The problem is the authorities imo want it to fail.

With the offside the only sensible thing to do imo is to use the procedure cricket do with LBW when the original decision is not out if it's reviewed and the ball is only touching the bails then the original decision stands, So for example in Football if the linesman hasn't flagged then if it is extremely marginal like we are seeing then it's not offside say if the players whole foot / head is offside then it's offside less than that then give the goal. Because the small margins we are seeing are a bit daft tbh

[Chindie 8,686]

The PL has taken some inspiration from rugby and the TMO.

Pointedly, that that is NOT what they want.

[a m ole 5,779]

Useless shit, **** the FA.

[Keyblade 7,757]

That Sokratis handball was a blatant pen. The ref missed it, fine but wtf is VAR doing? You can overrule a millimeter offside that no human could possibly catch in real time but a ref missing a handball isn't a clear and obvious error?

All they're doing is just protecting the referees from any criticism. Scrap the whole thing if this is how it's going to be honestly. The state of officiating in England is farcical. I thought the Championship was bad but the PL is absolutely no different.

[StefanAVFC 16,191]

Either implement it properly or rebrand it offside checker. 

[Dr_Pangloss 12,926]

Perhaps imagined this but in Guendouzi's run for the penalty he appeared to be pulling one of our player's shirts, can't recall if both players were at it though.

[Dr_Pangloss 12,926]

1 hour ago, Keyblade said:

That Sokratis handball was a blatant pen. The ref missed it, fine but wtf is VAR doing? You can overrule a millimeter offside that no human could possibly catch in real time but a ref missing a handball isn't a clear and obvious error?

All they're doing is just protecting the referees from any criticism. Scrap the whole thing if this is how it's going to be honestly. The state of officiating in England is farcical. I thought the Championship was bad but the PL is absolutely no different.

This is totally where I'm at. We know that it won't be implemented properly, as a result it simply has to go because the current implementation is actually ruining games.

[KenjiOgiwara 2,013]

Some fair points being made. Must admit the PL out of all the examples I can think of are the worst at implementing VAR. Just amateur hour all over the place. 

[sharkyvilla 4,373]

With the offside in general I've always thought that if the striker has any part of his body in line with the defender he should be onside.  I'd much rather you give the advantage to attackers rather than defenders.  

[a m ole 5,779]

20 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

Perhaps imagined this but in Guendouzi's run for the penalty he appeared to be pulling one of our player's shirts, can't recall if both players were at it though.

didn’t look it from the replay I saw, he had a full hand of Trezeguet’s shirt holding him off.

[Keyblade 7,757]

3 minutes ago, a m ole said:

didn’t look it from the replay I saw, he had a full hand of Trezeguet’s shirt holding him off.

Guendouzi bought that penalty from start to finish. Bjorn was stupid to put in a challenge but he only had 1 thing in mind driving into the box. He tried a couple of times earlier to claim soft pens too.

[StefanAVFC 16,191]

4 minutes ago, a m ole said:

didn’t look it from the replay I saw, he had a full hand of Trezeguet’s shirt holding him off.

And then he jumped in Engels before he even made the challenge