kurtsimonw Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Genie said: So it seems like VAR cant do much because Friend blew his whistle for the "dive' before the goal went in. This is in contradiction to the new offside rule where play is allowed to continue and then is reviewed by VAR if theres a goal. Why didn't he let play carry on, then VAR rule the goal out if there was an infringement? Utterly bewildered by it. The only thing that makes sense is that he really didn't want us to score. If the official puts the flag up and the ref blows the whistle they can't use VAR either. The idea is to let play continue, after the result of said play, make a decision. Then check with VAR. Referees seem to want to make big decisions themselves though, as if they don't need VAR, and they're simply not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 hours ago, sne said: Yeah the way they are using it, or rather not using it in the PL has made this a non issue after what I'm guessing was an emergency meeting after the first round this season. The Basque derby last night in La Liga had 8 minutes of VAR waiting for the audience to enjoy apparently. This attitude is a big problem. Why is waiting a few minutes such a massive issue? This is exactly why refs don't check screens themselves. The uproar of the poor fans in the stand having to wait a few more minutes for their post match pint. What about injuries? How do fans cope when it takes 5 minutes for an injured player to get off the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: How do fans cope when it takes 5 minutes for an injured player to get off the field? To be fair they still boo and whistle. It will never change. Agree though - Introduce VAR properly if it takes 10 minutes so be it. Referees are too scared to use it and those sitting in the booth are too scared to overrule their mate on the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: This attitude is a big problem. Why is waiting a few minutes such a massive issue? This is exactly why refs don't check screens themselves. The uproar of the poor fans in the stand having to wait a few more minutes for their post match pint. What about injuries? How do fans cope when it takes 5 minutes for an injured player to get off the field? Because he's injured and the people checking on the player need to make sure how serious the injury is and that it is stabilized before they haul the player away? Fans are not exactly patient with players laying on the pitch wasting time with minor nicks or when play is not allowed to start because of the player refusing to get help off pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: To be fair they still boo and whistle. It will never change. Agree though - Introduce VAR properly if it takes 10 minutes so be it. Referees are too scared to use it and those sitting in the booth are too scared to overrule their mate on the pitch. Absolutely. You'll never please everyone. You have some complaining Man City should've scored against Spurs despite handball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I was a big supporter of VAR being introduced but they either need to revert to how it was used in the last men’s World Cup or get rid of it now. Its a system that has largely worked in every league in which it has been brought in but for some reason we seem to have gone with a completely different use of the technology and it’s achieving nothing. Tielemans’ red card, Haller’s penalty and our equaliser would all have been correctly overturned if they’d occurred in the World Cup or in every other league using VAR. For anybody saying that the whistle had already gone, that also wouldn’t have happened with the VAR use in the World Cup as the refs had been trained to allow play to go on to let VAR and the refs work in tandem. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Having the same ref's we generally think are poor when judging on the field being the one's who are also (not) making the calls when being video assistant referees is only going to turn out exactly the way we are seeing now. They are not going to make themselves and their fellow colleagues look bad by overturning and overruling calls. That they are not even letting the ref's on the field watch the video for potential mistakes is, well it forfeits the whole purpose. Imo you don't need a professional ref (especially not a working colleague) as video assistant referee, you need someone educated enough to be able to watch the game and alert the ref on the field about situations where he should review the footage. The ref and the video ref really shouldn't car pool to and fro the game together. Yeah it will add some time potentially but is the people in the stands are allowed to see what is reviewed and why, then most will be OK-ish with it. I don't think they could have made a worse mess of it than it currently is even if they tried to. Please just take this international break and redo if from scratch admit you ballsed it up. It can work to a satisfactory level if you do it right. And it's not going anywhere so why not do it right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 So what if the whistle has been blow? A wrong decision is a wrong decision! Yes they should let the game play out but to have a black and white rule like the whistle has been blown is very frustrating. This wasn’t just a mistake by the ref it was also going against the rules the refs are meant to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I get the feeling the English refs for the prem don’t want Var and arrogantly believe they’re the mutts nuts hence this stance of siding with the initial decision more often than not and properly reviewing incidents. its a proper mess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, kurtsimonw said: This attitude is a big problem. Why is waiting a few minutes such a massive issue? This is exactly why refs don't check screens themselves. The uproar of the poor fans in the stand having to wait a few more minutes for their post match pint. What about injuries? How do fans cope when it takes 5 minutes for an injured player to get off the field? Because that is not football!! Football is not waiting minutes for decisions, football is cut and thrust, end to end, high octane - it’s not frickin NFL. Why is the very essence of football so utterly unimportant to alleged football fans these days?!? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) This is probably already said a thousand times, but isn't the big problem with VAR that they have limited the authority of it? I see people saying they are afraid referees will stop doing their job and totally rely on VAR, but personally I think the main problem is that the referees got too much say in the matter. Ultimately a referee can never do advanced calls as well as VAR, so if you intend on using VAR you HAVE to give it the power to determine everything involved a play that's incorrectly reffed. Before and after the whistle is blown. If VAR can't disallow a wrongly disallowed goal, and thus letting the goal stand, simply because the referee has blown the whistle... a whistle nobody heard or saw I might add, a call that was wrong in the first place. Then why include VAR at all. Not letting VAR do it's job cause referees making mistakes overrules the authority of VAR is just **** absurd. It makes no sense. It's literally taking the piss out of the entire concept. Edited September 1, 2019 by KenjiOgiwara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kurtsimonw Posted September 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: Because that is not football!! Football is not waiting minutes for decisions, football is cut and thrust, end to end, high octane - it’s not frickin NFL. Why is the very essence of football so utterly unimportant to alleged football fans these days?!? Let's bring back pass backs and keepers being clattered, and rock hard balls. What archaic nonsense. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Because that is not football!! Football is not waiting minutes for decisions, football is cut and thrust, end to end, high octane - it’s not frickin NFL. Why is the very essence of football so utterly unimportant to alleged football fans these days?!? We need to tell the players not to argue with decisions or feign injuries or time waste when winning. Don't they understand the cut and thrust, end-to-end necessity of the game? The fans simply can't cope! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: If the official puts the flag up and the ref blows the whistle they can't use VAR either. The idea is to let play continue, after the result of said play, make a decision. Then check with VAR. But this can't be right, can it? If there's an elbow off the ball that the ref doesn't see and the game carries on, his whistle will inevitably blow at some point and the incident would still be reviewed - surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imavillan Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 This may have been said before but in my opinion this VAR bull shit needs a complete overhaul. Ditch the checking of every goal, ditch the referee checking whatever and just give the two teams 2 or 3 appeals per match. As they do in cricket. Simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_a Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, imavillan said: This may have been said before but in my opinion this VAR bull shit needs a complete overhaul. Ditch the checking of every goal, ditch the referee checking whatever and just give the two teams 2 or 3 appeals per match. As they do in cricket. Simple as that. Problem is, in yesterday’s game, we’d have used our 2 appeals in the first 20 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 VAR is a complete and utter waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Villarocker said: VAR is a complete and utter waste of time. The Premier League's self-congratulatory "our referees never make a mistake" VAR certainly is. Don't throw the baby out with the corrupt shower of words removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 8 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Because that is not football!! Football is not waiting minutes for decisions, football is cut and thrust, end to end, high octane - it’s not frickin NFL. Why is the very essence of football so utterly unimportant to alleged football fans these days?!? So would you rather wait a 60 seconds for Friends decision to be reversed or have the "cut and thrust" whistle like he did yeaterday? What do you prefer? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, Villarocker said: VAR is a complete and utter waste of time. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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