bobzy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, NoelVilla said: I don't rate Coutinho very high. Especially not if we are talking top class of Europe. Dembele is already better with a way higher potential. I think Coutinho is a class act - comfortably up there with the better attacking midfielders of European football for me. In any case, in what way is Dembele already better? His end product is nowhere near (whilst playing in an arguably weaker league), he's only 20 with one season at a big club under his belt. I wouldn't really argue that he could become a far better player - sure, may well do. But right now? In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Coutinho is the best player at one of the top clubs in one of Europe's top leagues. Under no circumstances can he be considered not 'top class', whatever that means, unless you're restricting its meaning to 'in the top 5-10 players in the world' (in which case, your definition is of no use helping Barcelona pick a replacement). Coutinho also gets the ball forward faster than Dembele. He's a very good player. The advantage of Dembele, obviously, is that he's 5 years younger than Coutinho and probably has greater potential to grow into 'the new Neymar/Messi' (though he also has a correspondingly higher potential to flop as well). Edited August 12, 2017 by HanoiVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 >(e)100m seems utterly outrageous, in any other recent window he'd be no more, and I mean, no more than (e)40m. In any other asset class alarm bells will be ringing over a fairly serious bubble, I for a second do not think football will be immune to this, surely the shit will (literally) hit the fan before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: >(e)100m seems utterly outrageous, in any other recent window he'd be no more, and I mean, no more than (e)40m. In any other asset class alarm bells will be ringing over a fairly serious bubble, I for a second do not think football will be immune to this, surely the shit will (literally) hit the fan before long. Talk of last week of Amazon being interested in bidding for next premier league rights. Stuff like that will mean Sky/BT keep on paying over the odds for tv rights and so the cycle will continue.... It's interesting where we're going with this though. Probably in 5 years time all 20 premier league clubs will be spending 200m every summer. Last time I looked 3 teams are still going to be relegated and 12 will miss out on european qualification. Will put to the end I think "the look how much he's spent" debates when talking about a manager as we annually had with MON in those days. Edited August 12, 2017 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2017 Paulinho to Barca for £34m! Madness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Yes but is that based on what he didn' t do at spurs. Scored a great hattrick for Brazil in Uruguay. Yes seems madness for a 29 year old. But you are paying treble that these days for someone of his ability who is 5 years younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 14, 2017 Moderator Share Posted August 14, 2017 On 10/07/2017 at 12:16, TrentVilla said: I hear Barry could be off too WBA... I'd be gutted. Looks like I heard right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Kendrick's Dentist Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 On 8/11/2017 at 20:21, bobzy said: I think Coutinho is a class act - comfortably up there with the better attacking midfielders of European football for me. In any case, in what way is Dembele already better? His end product is nowhere near (whilst playing in an arguably weaker league), he's only 20 with one season at a big club under his belt. I wouldn't really argue that he could become a far better player - sure, may well do. But right now? In what way? Dembele is far better than Coutinho, and is 20 compared to 25. You say his end product is nowhere near Coutinho's. Last season he had 10 goals and 21 assists, compared to Coutinho's 14 goals and 9 assists (Transfermarkt). I don't think he's as inferior in that department as you think! His general performances for Dortmund were also phenomenal, in league, DFB Pokal (hauling them to victory vs Bayern in semi before scoring in the final) and the Champions League. This all built on a fantastic campaign at Rennes (no one-season wonder). He would prove a bargain (even at £100m) as players will regularly go for that price in the coming years, and he's one of the biggest talents of his generation. Coutinho, on the other hand, is a very good player but if I'm Barca I'm certainly not breaking the bank for him. Talented but only really turns it on every 3 or 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 16 hours ago, villan-scott said: Paulinho to Barca for £34m! Madness! Barca are going to get steamrollered by Madrid (again) this season and I can't wait to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 9 hours ago, TrentVilla said: Looks like I heard right. yeah as much as i hated him when he left id have loved him back, pretty much every baggies fan ive spoken to really doesnt want him either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Barry to Brom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 This one **** hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 He's 36. He made his debut for us at 16. We certainly would be dads army with Whelan and Barry in midfield and Terry at the back. Would have wanted him back a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Thats a shame, but I reckon this move for Barry will be a disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 His last payday as a player. Next year he is manager of Brom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 West Ham about to sign Cleveland from Family Guy. Great signing for them that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 dunno, hes looked a decent player for a few years now and been touted to pretty much everyone but no ones ever gone for him they've sold feghouli to galatasaray, he's been shit for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 who's this dalbert that inter have paid £25m for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, villa4europe said: who's this dalbert that inter have paid £25m for? OGC Nice Left Back. Brazilian 23 y.o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 11 hours ago, Mat Kendrick's Dentist said: Dembele is far better than Coutinho, and is 20 compared to 25. You say his end product is nowhere near Coutinho's. Last season he had 10 goals and 21 assists, compared to Coutinho's 14 goals and 9 assists (Transfermarkt). I don't think he's as inferior in that department as you think! His general performances for Dortmund were also phenomenal, in league, DFB Pokal (hauling them to victory vs Bayern in semi before scoring in the final) and the Champions League. This all built on a fantastic campaign at Rennes (no one-season wonder). He would prove a bargain (even at £100m) as players will regularly go for that price in the coming years, and he's one of the biggest talents of his generation. Coutinho, on the other hand, is a very good player but if I'm Barca I'm certainly not breaking the bank for him. Talented but only really turns it on every 3 or 4 games. Looks very likely that Barcelona will get both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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