villa4europe Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Isn't the retort to this, 'stop buying from the Premier League then'? £18m is £2m more than West Ham paid for Hernandez, and I know who I would back to score more this season. Spot on this premier league ready stuff is utter **** nonsense, best league in the world don't you know so let's buy a bloke who knows what it's about rather than a better footballer from abroad who might have to settle in the amazing world of English football theyve stopped trying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 9 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Isn't the retort to this, 'stop buying from the Premier League then'? £18m is £2m more than West Ham paid for Hernandez, and I know who I would back to score more this season. Absolutely, but you're reducing the risk of players needing to settle etc. Hernandez is about to turn 30 and was in the last year of his contract at Leverkusen by the way. Not quite the same scenario, although I agree with the point r.e: goals. Overall, he'll be a more expensive signing than Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2017 Lewis Baker on loan to Boro apparently. Good signing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 12 hours ago, NoelVilla said: I would guess it was Barca or his agent that suggested he act like this. Hopefully the moral crusaders of La Liga will try block this transfer as also ruins integrity of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 13 hours ago, Czechlad said: This Dembele to Barca situation is getting a bit childish. Dembele doesn't show up for training, unfollows BvB on twitter, and numerous teammates. Honestly I'd be put off by his actions if I was Barca. LOL how pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 3 hours ago, bobzy said: Absolutely, but you're reducing the risk of players needing to settle etc. Hernandez is about to turn 30 and was in the last year of his contract at Leverkusen by the way. Not quite the same scenario, although I agree with the point r.e: goals. Overall, he'll be a more expensive signing than Gray. Gray is also in the last year of his contract and only 3/4 years younger. Entering his prime means nothing if that prime isn't very good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted August 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 11, 2017 Coutinho hands in transfer request. *grabs popcorn* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 pleeeeeease have barca sign dembele and then say they dont want him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Zatman said: Hopefully the moral crusaders of La Liga will try block this transfer as also ruins integrity of football Well and you know that Barca are 'mes que un club' so they should be able to do what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 With all this nonsens with the big clubs that pretty much just sickens me. From a plain football perspective Dembele is way above Coutinho in ability. Coutinho is not really at the top in Europe IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Keyblade said: Gray is also in the last year of his contract and only 3/4 years younger. Entering his prime means nothing if that prime isn't very good. I don't know where people are drawing this "not very good" from. He's basically a 1-in-2 striker in his career and 1-in-3 last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, NoelVilla said: With all this nonsens with the big clubs that pretty much just sickens me. From a plain football perspective Dembele is way above Coutinho in ability. Coutinho is not really at the top in Europe IMO. Is this serious or....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, bobzy said: I don't know where people are drawing this "not very good" from. He's basically a 1-in-2 striker in his career and 1-in-3 last season. When I say not very good, I mean not 18M in the last year of his contract good. Maybe I'm still adjusting to the crazy new fees in football, but I think that's ridiculous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Is Dembele really that good? One season at Dortmund and £100m plus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) the original figures banded about for dembele were circa £70m, that IMO represents a far better deal than coutinho for £120m but if we're saying they're both worth the same amount? not so sure, i do think dembele will end up being a better player and he's a better fit for barca currently, he'll slot straight in to that team i do also agree that coutinho is not a world class / top player Edited August 11, 2017 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: the original figures banded about for dembele were circa £70m, that IMO represents a far better deal than coutinho for £120m but if we're saying they're both worth the same amount? not so sure, i do think dembele will end up being a better player and he's a better fit for barca currently, he'll slot straight in to that team i do also agree that coutinho is not a world class / top player Dembele is 20 and on the back of one season with a big club - £70m! Same with Mbappe. Crazy. And also just first team Barca/Real/PSG straight off? Unreal. Coutinho is surely the better player right now, btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 yeah he is right now but for £120m you should be buying a player for the next 10 years and i think dembele will end up better and i think he'll slot in straight away, not 100% sure how valverde will set them up but dembele goes straight in to a front 3, coutinho i agree with whoever said is an iniesta replacement, the problem being iniesta has a couple of years in him still, they need a world class midfielder but he's not the answer (the answer IMO is verratti, the understated part of the neymar deal is who PSG told barca to **** off over him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Is this serious or....? Yes very much. I suspect you haven't seen much of Dembele. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, NoelVilla said: Yes very much. I suspect you haven't seen much of Dembele. Absolutely correct - I also find it hard to believe that, at 20, he is "way above Coutinho in ability". I have no doubt he's a talent, that's presumably why he signed for Dortmund and Barcelona are sniffing around. But "way above Coutinho in ability"? Hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Absolutely correct - I also find it hard to believe that, at 20, he is "way above Coutinho in ability". I have no doubt he's a talent, that's presumably why he signed for Dortmund and Barcelona are sniffing around. But "way above Coutinho in ability"? Hmmmm. I don't rate Coutinho very high. Especially not if we are talking top class of Europe. Dembele is already better with a way higher potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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