Genie Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, CVByrne said: Putin wants a puppet government in Ukraine like he has in Belarus and he's going to install one. Here’s the plan. Let him do it Troops falls back into Russia Putin has some kind of accident Hope the next guy isn’t as mental Ukraine move back to what they were doing beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Time for Tim Wallace to step up and show his words weren’t just a middle aged fat guy giving it big chops. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Interestingly enough that it also Nigel Farage and Aaron Banks’ position, coming from the other side of the political spectrum. Yeah, was gonna say it's odd to see Corbyn and Farage aligned in their stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Don't they all have anti nuke defense systems? Nukes to me just seems like a massive pissing contest Trident is a colossal waste of money Anti-ballistic missile defences are very sketchy and you wouldn't bet your country on them working. Nukes are terrifying and prevent world wars, that's literally what's happening right in front of us now. We cant stop Putin invading Ukraine because he has nukes. He can't invade countries in our alliance because we have nukes. It's a real-time demonstration of nuclear deterrence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Interestingly enough that it also Nigel Farage and Aaron Banks’ position, coming from the other side of the political spectrum. Yep, Tucker Carlson too. The political spectrum is a circle, not a line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, magnkarl said: The PR surely isn't good for Putin. Russians died in that apartment block. Reveal hidden contents Im'ma gonna stop riding yers - but PR? as a weapon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 52 minutes ago, PieFacE said: You seem to be a bit pointed with people about this situation. What do you suggest should be done? Fair point - I'm a bit worried to be honest - what is happening now means all rules are gone, we have a PM who is paid by the Ruskis and the free world's only hope is an aging Joe Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Yeah, was gonna say it's odd to see Corbyn and Farage aligned in their stance. For different reasons though. Farage because he's about as right wing as you can be and quite admires what Putin is doing trying to rebuild the Russian Empire and given the chance would like to see us doing the same. Corbyn because he's an old anti-war hippy that thinks that we can all get along by singing Kumbaya round the camp fire with a joint and good intentions. That if we decided we wanted to give up our weapons that other countries would see the light. Both are equally as dangerous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannedfromHandV Posted February 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2022 There’s going to be so much propaganda and misinformation over the coming weeks or months, it’s going to be nigh on impossible to know what’s actually accurate. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The UK government's role so far has been some ineffective diplomacy and some weak sanctions. I don't disagree , but has any nation shown any effective diplomacy in this crises ? , its been clear what Putin was going to do for months , all these leaders meeting him over his large table was just boosting his image back home whilst he used them for his propaganda .. On the whole sanctions and action topic , do you think the UK government deleted the world leaders from its phone contacts , unplugged the internet and thought , "we'll go this alone ?" ..I'd imagine most of the world leaders , have been in constant dialogue , and presumably have come up with a level of agreed format of what the course of action will be (or lack of) Our government should have and still needs to be doing more ( and hopefully it will ,in co-ordination with the rest of the world ) .... its unlikely anyone on a football forum twinned with Mumsnet is going to have a solution to this crises , but I'd be interested to see what exactly people think the UK should be doing , other than giving back donations to Tory donors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Interestingly enough that it also Nigel Farage and Aaron Banks’ position, coming from the other side of the political spectrum. There maybe a different stance on international money laundering and squirrelling funds in tax shy locations, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: There’s going to be so much propaganda and misinformation over the coming weeks or months, it’s going to be nigh on impossible to know what’s actually accurate. I know the answer to this one ..... anything that includes a screen shot from Twitter isn't accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regular_john Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 24/02/2022 A day that will live in infamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mozzavfc said: Anti-nuke defense systems don't work. Russia has hypersonic missiles which can't be countered (by anything that we've been told about) Mutually assured destruction is the only counter this. let's not pretend that the nuclear threat is anything other than utterly terrifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Looking at it from a Polish perspective, Putin isn't an idiot, nor is he mad. This isn't some miscalculated attack. Over the last weeks (and years) discussions on NATO and Ukraine have been ongoing. It has always been a sticking point, and while a lot of Ukrainians are well in the 'western' camp, a lot still have cultural and historical ties with Russia. On the greater scale, this is Crimea but multiplied by x amount. Putin must realise the west won't do anything too drastic, and won't invoke any military action. It looks like (so far) there isn't a massive response from Ukrainian military. The West has pushed troops on it's eastern flanks for years, there is a large American influence on Polish politics. This will annoy Putin. While Putin isn't an idiot, he is certainly an evil man. Maybe the west has pushed the line of his comfort a bit too much and he will now take the country of Ukraine and say 'what are you gonna do now'. He is winning the battle for influence over Ukraine. Russia isn't a democracy to worry about their election result. They can act more decisively than the west can. And it looks like they can simply go into an independent country with little response. I guess Putin is calling Biden's bluff (for now). Best course of action for NATO is to increase military presence in Poland/Romania. What else can we do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Looking at it from a Polish perspective, Putin isn't an idiot, nor is he mad. This isn't some miscalculated attack. Over the last weeks (and years) discussions on NATO and Ukraine have been ongoing. It has always been a sticking point, and while a lot of Ukrainians are well in the 'western' camp, a lot still have cultural and historical ties with Russia. On the greater scale, this is Crimea but multiplied by x amount. Putin must realise the west won't do anything too drastic, and won't invoke any military action. It looks like (so far) there isn't a massive response from Ukrainian military. The West has pushed troops on it's eastern flanks for years, there is a large American influence on Polish politics. This will annoy Putin. While Putin isn't an idiot, he is certainly an evil man. Maybe the west has pushed the line of his comfort a bit too much and he will now take the country of Ukraine and say 'what are you gonna do now'. He is winning the battle for influence over Ukraine. Russia isn't a democracy to worry about their election result. They can act more decisively than the west can. And it looks like they can simply go into an independent country with little response. I guess Putin is calling Biden's bluff (for now). Best course of action for NATO is to increase military presence in Poland/Romania. What else can we do? That’s essentially it. We’re not going to do very much of anything. Russia will take control of eastern Ukraine and push for a change of government in Kiev and Ukraine will have a permanently contested scar down the middle (much like it did before but with a bigger chunk gone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, osmark86 said: this. let's not pretend that the nuclear threat is anything other than utterly terrifying. Cardiff will be ok, bit of radioactive fall out, but he ain't nuking Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jareth said: Cardiff will be ok, bit of radioactive fall out, but he ain't nuking Cardiff. I dunno, did you how badly Coventry was bombed during the blitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Does this mean I should go out and buy some toilet roll? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: I dunno, did you how badly Coventry was bombed during the blitz? Well I think we can all agree with the Nazis, some times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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