El Zen Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Except that Putin is a massive sports fan, it'll hurt his pride immensely. Move anything relating to sports, activities etc out of Russia and don't let him back in until he gives back all the territories. My point was, it would be the right thing to do regardless. If it also makes a real difference, even better of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 24, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, desensitized43 said: For different reasons though. Farage because he's about as right wing as you can be and quite admires what Putin is doing trying to rebuild the Russian Empire and given the chance would like to see us doing the same. Corbyn because he's an old anti-war hippy that thinks that we can all get along by singing Kumbaya round the camp fire with a joint and good intentions. That if we decided we wanted to give up our weapons that other countries would see the light. Both are equally as dangerous. Actually I think it's for entirely the same reason Follow the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2022 Question. If someone did take Putin out, who would follow him? I imagine his regime is full of similar minded people, would cutting off one head just sprout another? Or has he surrounded himself with weak sicophants who would easily be disposed of by some other party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Except that Putin is a massive sports fan, it'll hurt his pride immensely. Move anything relating to sports, activities etc out of Russia and don't let him back in until he gives back all the territories. He’s rebuilding the Tsarist Russian Empire, imo. Sanctions, sports etc. are measures we’re taking so we can do something, not to try and change his calculus. He’s a man on a mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Putin isn't reversing course on a historic invasion of a neighbouring country because a grand prix or a Champions League final might be cancelled, the idea is tonto. It is probably a morally appropriate response, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Davkaus said: What's the best outcome we can hope for realistically? Either the west is at war with Russia, which could really just be The End, or we give them the green light to invade any region it sees fit to, as long as it isn't in NATO? Ukraine cedes half the country to Putin, the west put some hand shaking opportunity together to back slap some sort of peaceful end to it all that suits everyone who isn't Ukrainian, Russia gets a lot of very valuable real estate, our cost of living goes up, life goes back to normal, Putin gets brave and in 10 years picks another one That said I'm not sure if any of the other have much value, definitely not as much, he already effectively has Belarus, maybe he goes after some of the southern countries further away from Europe that no one will care about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted February 24, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2022 We need to really accelerate our move away from fossil fuels. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, El Zen said: Banning all Russian teams and athletes from international competition seems like a no brainer at this point, even if it might not achieve anything. I think it’s needed to show it’s not just Western politicians that thing this is out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I’d just like to note that it’s a very good thing this man is not currently the PM. I thought it was just Tobias ‘send a Division’ Elwood with delusions of adequacy, but apparently not. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2022 The sports thing will also seriously annoy the Russian sports following populace. Just 1 small additional lever to pull to reduce Putins popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Awol said: I’d just like to note that it’s a very good thing this man is not currently the PM. I thought it was just Tobias ‘send a Division’ Elwood with delusions of adequacy, but apparently not. The next tweet in his thread says 'It will also reduce the risk of escalation'! Dunno whether to go with , or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: The next tweet in his thread says 'It will also reduce the risk of escalation'! Dunno whether to go with , or I would think this to be honest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The next tweet in his thread says 'It will also reduce the risk of escalation'! Dunno whether to go with , or No downside. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Putin isn't reversing course on a historic invasion of a neighbouring country because a grand prix or a Champions League final might be cancelled, the idea is tonto. It is probably a morally appropriate response, however. HAAS may have to rethink their definitely-not-a-russian-flag livery 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Video out now of several Russian helicopters being shot down near Gosomel - just flashed by on NBC.. I don't think it's going fully to plan. Someone's good with the shoulder launcher.. Edited February 24, 2022 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Putin isn't reversing course on a historic invasion of a neighbouring country because a grand prix or a Champions League final might be cancelled, the idea is tonto. It is probably a morally appropriate response, however. You’re absolutely right, but best case scenario it nudges a few people in the right direction and makes a tiny dent in his domestic popularity, which is better than nothing. And again, as you say, it’s just the right thing to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The next tweet in his thread says 'It will also reduce the risk of escalation'! Dunno whether to go with , or Absolutely serious that people this irresponsible should be nowhere near positions of executive responsibility. The risks of accidental escalation between Russia and NATO are non-trivial, and that's without fools who are in government mouth-breathing across social media. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I don't get this mass helicopter circling thing. They're so easy to take out if you've got the gear (which it appears Ukraine has). Couple that with forests and they're bound to lose a lot of them.. Wasn't this tactic thoroughly disbanded in Mogadishu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2022 Oh great. Now it's **** snowing as well. What a day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Oh great. Now it's **** snowing as well. What a day. 3 storms. Earthquake. Snow. Russia. Just keeps piling on don't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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