Awol Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Well, no one could have predicted this... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 14, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, Awol said: Well, no one could have predicted this... Up until pretty recently, the Russian media presence, both official and the various bots and trolls and such like was effective at propagating Russia's message. It was slick enough to fool some folks who you'd hope by their qualifications at least, wouldn't be easily fooled as well as a swathe of people more easily led and without various professorial and fellowship roles. But with the most recent developments with the Scripal attack and the CW attacks in Syria, they've got it completely wrong (from a effectiveness viewpoint). By saying the OPCW fiddled the results...MI6 set up a false flag CW attack in Syria....and such like, I don't think even the tin foil brigade are really going to believe it. I mean if you're going to spread disinformation and such like, at least make it just slightly credible seeming. Or maybe the tinfoil wearers will just swallow this crud as well? Would be sad, but I suppose I could be overestimating people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted April 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Awol said: Well, no one could have predicted this... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 The World Cup is going to be interesting By that time it could be all but cancelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 54 minutes ago, Xela said: Ah, those were the days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted April 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 hours ago, blandy said: Or maybe the tinfoil wearers will just swallow this crud as well? Would be sad, but I suppose I could be overestimating people. Some people want to believe it because it fits a narrative they are personally and deeply invested in. How else to explain that ‘stop the war’ crowd outside Downing Street last night waving modern Russian and old Soviet flags screaming about not bombing Syria. Russian aircraft had flown over 30,000 sorties and hit 90,000 targets in Syria by summer 2017 alone, yet they wave the flags painted on those aircraft. Total cognitive dissonance. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 some of the secret intelligence beginning to be leaked out 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Demitri_C Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Good old sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just watched some idiots on ITV news claim that Assad is a good man, with elements like that in the stop the war movement it'd be hard to want to associate with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 God, yeah, you'd have to be a real plonker to sign your name to that sort of opinion. Speaking of which . . . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) Sometimes, I still have to sit back, and just take a moment to collect myself after remembering that Boris Johnson is the actual Foreign Secretary. Edited April 17, 2018 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted April 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: Sometimes, I still have to sit back, and just take a moment to collect myself after remembering that Boris Johnson is the actual Foreign Secretary. Wait until you find out who is the President of the US..... Edited April 17, 2018 by TheAuthority 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 no mention of Robert Fisk... quelle surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 18, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2018 13 hours ago, villakram said: no mention of Robert Fisk... quelle surprise That story's just a lot of hot air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 18, 2018 Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2018 15 hours ago, villakram said: no mention of Robert Fisk... quelle surprise Of the small group of various journo's let in there the other day, Fisk said he found no one saying there was CWs so he couldn't say one way or the other, but put forward stuff about dust and oxygen starvation being the cause. A German TV journo found some people saying there was no CWs and one man saying there definitely were, Swedish TV filmed a man detailing how his house was affected by CWs and his family died from them. The journo also reported the smell. CBS showed a picture of a yellow CW container (I suspect that wasn't actually taken by their journos but was added on to an article reporting on the situation). Today the UN and OPCW team in Douma have been shot at! in an area where Syria Russia are in control and there are no rebels left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Quote Ofcom has opened seven investigations into Russia Today, in light of the Salisbury nerve agent attack which took place in March. The regulator will investigate "due impartiality of news and current affairs programmes" on the channel. A spokesperson for Ofcom said "we have observed a significant increase in the number of programmes that warrant investigation". It aims to announce the outcome of the investigations "as soon as possible". BBC ..."due impartiality of news and current affairs programmes"...? Will they be looking at news agencies controlled by tax evading pricks after? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Xann said: BBC ..."due impartiality of news and current affairs programmes"...? Will they be looking at news agencies controlled by tax evading pricks after? or the BBC... I'm ignorant of their avoiding of tax etc., but it wouldn't be very surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, villakram said: or the BBC... I'm ignorant of their avoiding of tax etc., but it wouldn't be very surprising. The BBC generally reflects the outlook of the incumbent government. Should it not play ball, it gets criticised by Parliament. Further insubordination and there's talk of the license fee being scrapped. This usually shuts it up. Like many of the other public services under the Tories, as far as a being a neutral(ish) provider of news, it's in a shit state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Remember the Russian Foreign Ministry claim about a Swiss laboratory casting doubt on the Salisbury/Novichok findings? They were lying their tits off, for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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