bickster Posted July 4, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: Porton Down have been at it again, chucking novichok over their shoulder for good luck all over Wiltshire. On the surface, very odd choice of target. Attempt at distraction maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, bickster said: On the surface, very odd choice of target. Attempt at distraction maybe? Craig Murray is rapidly digging into who they are and how they have connections to Mossad as we speak. The initial police line seems to be that they think they came across some of the stuff from the Skripal attack discarded somewhere and have been accidentally poisoned. Some have noticed they look fairly similar to the couple the police wanted to locate at the time of the Skripal attack that were on CCTV. Crazy theory - they're Russian agents! 11!!!1! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 Right on the heels of England's victory too...Putin all over this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 The woman that was recently poisoned has died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 8, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 31/05/2018 at 16:50, villakram said: Propaganda. Not sure what Claudia Brücken has to do with this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 9, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 9, 2018 21 hours ago, bickster said: Not sure what Claudia Brücken has to do with this All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 This Novichok story - a bottle found in the man’s house containing the substance. Now why would anyone find a random bottle and bring it back to their house? What is going on here? My mind is going full conspiracy theory right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, other than they ca be entertaining. But how can it take so long to find, if it was in his house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 13, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2018 I would imagine looking through a property when the thing you're looking for is potentially lethal and you've no idea what it is likely to be isn't a fast process. Especially when you would need to verify it as well. As for why it's there, that's a bigger question. You'd need to know what was found, where it was found, what (if anything) else was found, and more details about the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 19 hours ago, a m ole said: This Novichok story - a bottle found in the man’s house containing the substance. Now why would anyone find a random bottle and bring it back to their house? What is going on here? My mind is going full conspiracy theory right now. Because they were alcoholics and drug addicts? I'm sure rational thought goes out the window. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 23 hours ago, Xela said: Because they were alcoholics and drug addicts? I'm sure rational thought goes out the window. That’s the problem with Novichok...very moreish! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, WhatAboutTheFinish said: That’s the problem with Novichok...very moreish! Once you pop, you can't stop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blandy Posted July 30, 2018 Moderator Share Posted July 30, 2018 Russia hacking the Swiss lab where the Skripal novochok analysis was done according to Swiss media Quote Spiez laboratory was apparently attacked by Russian hackers. The group "Sandworm" stands at the centre of the investigation. The Berne research institute is the Swiss facility for protection against NBC attacks. What seems sensational on paper, is in practice, true: The scientists are world experts on chemical weapons, as in the spectacular case of the former double agent Sergei Skripal . The Russian ex-spy and his daughter were poisoned in March in Salisbury, England with the neuro-toxin Novichok. The Spiez laboratory was involved in conducting the analysis and this drew Moscow's interest. According to Kurt Münger of the Federal Office for Civil Protection, the attack began in the run-up to a major conference in September, to which were invited specialists in chemical and biological warfare. Months before the meeting, a Word document seemingly containing only information about the conference was distributed, but in fact it contained a harmful program. To avoid raising suspicion, the document was sent in the name of the Spiez laboratory. The sender used a false e-mail address posing as as Spiez laboratory"... ...The Institute confirmed the attack to the German news magazine " Spiegel ", which named hacking group "Sandworm". The group is said to specialise in sabotage and be directed by the Russian military intelligence [GRU]. Experts from the Russian IT security company Kaspersky Lab confirm: Spiez hackers have Russian language skills. This is the same group that previously attacked the Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang, Korea. Now they have a new focus on organisations that specialise in biological and chemical threats such as the Spiez laboratory. Already this year Hackers have attacked several targets in Switzerland. The Federal Intelligence Service internally recorded cyber attacks on "various international sports bodies" including the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in Lausanne. Swiss IT companies have been hit, too. These hacking attacks are all suspected by intelligence services of being the work of the Russian government. The pattern seems to be repeating. Swiss and German media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 On 13/07/2018 at 22:49, chrisp65 said: I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, other than they ca be entertaining. But how can it take so long to find, if it was in his house? You've not been following the story, have you? It was a gel that was smeared on Skripal's oufside door handle. Both he and his daughter touched the door handle, because when you leave a house, it takes two of you to close the door. It is a nerve agent many times more deadly than VX, but they were not immediately overcome, though it is the most deadly substance in the entire universe. Instead, they went for a drink, went for lunch, fed the ducks and only then sat down on a bench and succumbed. Despite being of very different ages, body sizes, and presumably having touched different amounts of the substance, they fell ill at the exact same instant, now several hours after the presumed contact. Luckily, the police who went in to the house without protective gear, opening the door by turning the handle, did not die, nor exhibit symptoms. Thanks be to the Lord. It can only be by divine providence that they were saved. As well as being a sticky gel, the substance was also able to be sprayed through the nozzle of a perfume dipenser, because that is a characteristic of sticky gels, yes? It was found in a bottle only made in Russia, though also a well known brand which Charlie Rowley recognised, in a bin which had apparently not been emptied for 5 months. I'm sure some people believe this. I'd like to think that most have a firmer grasp on logic and reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, peterms said: As well as being a sticky gel, the substance was also able to be sprayed through the nozzle of a perfume dipenser, because that is a characteristic of sticky gels, yes? Aren't 'substances' available in many forms? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, snowychap said: Aren't 'substances' available in many forms? Yes they are. Though I don't know in how many forms "novichok" can be supplied. Powder? Resin, like a good Moroccan hash? We have been told gel, and spray. Which is it to be? Do we go with gel, or something of the consistency of perfume? Or were the assassins supplied with a whole menu of substances in various forms, so they could choose as the mood took them on the day? Is that how these guys operate? More info would be a bonus here, though I expect it may be as misleading as what we've been told so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, peterms said: Yes they are. Though I don't know in how many forms "novichok" can be supplied. Powder? Resin, like a good Moroccan hash? We have been told gel, and spray. Which is it to be? Do we go with gel, or something of the consistency of perfume? If they can be available in many forms then might they be available in more than one form? Could it perhaps be a powder that could be distributed in a spray or a gel? 27 minutes ago, peterms said: Or were the assassins supplied with a whole menu of substances in various forms, so they could choose as the mood took them on the day? I'm not weighing in on claiming knowledge of anything but I'd have thought that discretion about method would be largely up to the assassin rather than prescribed like a task in The Apprentice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: If they can be available in many forms then might they be available in more than one form? Could it perhaps be a powder that could be distributed in a spray or a gel? I'm not weighing in on claiming knowledge of anything but I'd have thought that discretion about method would be largely up to the assassin rather than prescribed like a task in The Apprentice. Yes, I suppose it might. But my point is that the story we are told is inherently implausible. Do you find it believable, at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 minute ago, peterms said: Do you find it believable, at all? Yes. Do I believe it all? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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