Popular Post TrentVilla Posted April 17, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 14 hours ago, TRO said: Well it took another ex Man U keeper 9 months after signing him to make his mark with us. Mark Bosnich sorry about the pun. Its no good being to hasty to discard. just thought. It's not about discarding though is it, as we don't own him. It's about if we pursue signing him which is all together entirely a different position. I'm always an advocate of patience (to a point with players particularly young ones) but it's a bit different when they aren't your player. Do you think he has performed well enough to warrant us signing him permanently this summer? Because I don't. So it's not really about patience it's about if we want to pay a few million to keep him and see if he improves. It's also about if we are willing to have a keeper in our 1st team that we are waiting to develop. Comparisons to Bozzie are a little pointless really. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I think Bruce will want to keep the back 5 for next season as we barely conceded for 9 matches. That means signing Johnstone, which is fair enough. I can only see us signing two or three players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: It's not about discarding though is it, as we don't own him. It's about if we pursue signing him which is all together entirely a different position. I'm always an advocate of patience (to a point with players particularly young ones) but it's a bit different when they aren't your player. Do you think he has performed well enough to warrant us signing him permanently this summer? Because I don't. So it's not really about patience it's about if we want to pay a few million to keep him and see if he improves. It's also about if we are willing to have a keeper in our 1st team that we are waiting to develop. Comparisons to Bozzie are a little pointless really. The comparison was purely on the basis of what you see now is not always the finished article.....Bozzie took 9 months to convince the management, but he did it.It depends on what part of the comparison you want to major on as to whether it is pointless or not. yes, he is not our player.....but we may have an option to buy.....and we need a Goal keeper.....His recent form is not to be sniffed at. I have no firm opinion on it , but Bozzie and Spinky, do spring to my mind, when thinking about the next Keeper. i can see the arguments to support a more experienced ' keeper , but it's one of them. In terms of career, do you go for players on the way up, still developing or the more experienced, but on their way down? Ps I didn't think it was a pointless comparison, else I wouldn't have written it, but each to there own. Edited April 17, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 hour ago, sharkyvilla said: I think Bruce will want to keep the back 5 for next season as we barely conceded for 9 matches. That means signing Johnstone, which is fair enough. I can only see us signing two or three players. When you consider that we are only ever one injury away from seeing Elphick or Richards in starting lineup, I'm hoping we see at least 2 or 3 additions to back 5 alone. Bruce played down the January window before going out a buying half a team so I would take anything he says regarding the summer with a pinch of salt. I think there will be 4 or 5 in and the same number out. Staying OT, i think a keeper is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: I think Bruce will want to keep the back 5 for next season as we barely conceded for 9 matches. That means signing Johnstone, which is fair enough. I can only see us signing two or three players. I think one of the reasons we are not conceding is that the midfield is playing so deep.....when we open up, we are liable to concede.....subsequently midfield not doing what they did at previous clubs. I am not sure individually or as a department the defence is as good as the stats are suggesting....still too many individual errors are harboured in some.....we defend in numbers, which distorts the true picture. That is not a criticism, it's an observation. still much work to do IMO. Edited April 17, 2017 by TRO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, TRO said: I think one of the reasons we are not conceding is that the midfield is playing so deep.....when we open up, we are liable to concede.....subsequently midfield not doing what they did at previous clubs. Thats a very good point mate. I'm not a huge fan of Baker. Elphick Amavi and Richards are simply awful, and i don't rate Johnstone either. I would like to see at least 2 or 3 additions to the back 5 in the summer. Hopefully that will give Bruce more confidence to allow Lansbury and Hourihane to push further forward. When you also consider that Jedinak barely crosses the half way line, the defence have an awful lot of protection, which is detrimental to the attacking side of our game. Much work to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, av1 said: Thats a very good point mate. I'm not a huge fan of Baker. Elphick Amavi and Richards are simply awful, and i don't rate Johnstone either. I would like to see at least 2 or 3 additions to the back 5 in the summer. Hopefully that will give Bruce more confidence to allow Lansbury and Hourihane to push further forward. When you also consider that Jedinak barely crosses the half way line, the defence have an awful lot of protection, which is detrimental to the attacking side of our game. Much work to be done. I still think there are many paradox's with us at the moment. e.g Jedinak has been colossal for us.....but in another sense he is a player that is dedicated to protecting the defence, that is like over insurance in some ways. It could be argued that if the CB's were more dominant, it could open up for a more creative ball playing bod in midfield to enhance the offensive side. I perfectly understand the setup to be hard to beat, but at some stage we have to morph in to a team that takes the game to the opppsition. i see lots of tinkering in the last few matches and I agree with you....I see more than a few signings in the summer. Edited April 17, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Priority needs to be at least 1 CB in the summer, 2 if we're going to play with a back 3 next season. Replace Amavi with a proper LB and get some CM's that can dictate a match consistently. We've got some very good individuals in the squad but we're far from being a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted April 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) I firmly believe there is no better investment we can make in the summer than a new manager. But as that won't happen I'll take one of each in every playing position. Cheers Xia. Edited April 17, 2017 by sne 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 The squad is getting there. We have good to great Championship level players at nearly every position. A new manager is needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Backups for Taylor, Jedinak and Baker. Need a first choice keeper, ideally not Johnstone, proper left winger, and a forward thinking midfielder. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael118 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 If we're looking for a winger or attacking midfielder we could do a lot worse than Floyd Ayite. Looks a very good player to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 John Terry leaving Chelsea at end of season and looking for a new challenge. Although obviously may end up in US or China. Would be a hell of an addition for a year. Let's offer him the gap year before cruising in LA or Ghangzou. Lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 17, 2017 8 hours ago, TRO said: The comparison was purely on the basis of what you see now is not always the finished article.....Bozzie took 9 months to convince the management, but he did it.It depends on what part of the comparison you want to major on as to whether it is pointless or not. yes, he is not our player.....but we may have an option to buy.....and we need a Goal keeper.....His recent form is not to be sniffed at. I have no firm opinion on it , but Bozzie and Spinky, do spring to my mind, when thinking about the next Keeper. i can see the arguments to support a more experienced ' keeper , but it's one of them. In terms of career, do you go for players on the way up, still developing or the more experienced, but on their way down? Ps I didn't think it was a pointless comparison, else I wouldn't have written it, but each to there own. The you could have made that point without the reference to Bozzie. Making that reference inferes (intentionally or otherwise) that the situations are the same, that because it worked out with Bozzie people are mistaken for being quick to judge on this occasion. It doesn't work that way which is why I didn't think the comparison is pointless. There is no option to buy, it's a straight loan but even if there were my point still remains. I get your point re players on the way up, although I'm not sure he particularly is, but we are not in a position to be developing a keeper while trying to get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 The defence is OK at this level IMO, I'd sell Richards and Elphick and get a new CB. Obviously Amavi would need to be replaced should he leave. Midfield still needs work as does the attack. GK is the priority IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted April 17, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 17, 2017 Nobody is going to buy Richards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 1 minute ago, TrentVilla said: Nobody is going to buy Richards. Think we need to think out of the box to get rid of him, maybe offer him to St Helens or NFL team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: The you could have made that point without the reference to Bozzie. Making that reference inferes (intentionally or otherwise) that the situations are the same, that because it worked out with Bozzie people are mistaken for being quick to judge on this occasion. It doesn't work that way which is why I didn't think the comparison is pointless. There is no option to buy, it's a straight loan but even if there were my point still remains. I get your point re players on the way up, although I'm not sure he particularly is, but we are not in a position to be developing a keeper while trying to get promoted. Everyone chooses to make the comparison to make their point easier to understand, but that's an opinion......Its not a question in my opinion of majoring on the person, but more the principle.....but that's perhaps where the translation is lost. I was rather hoping that the principle would be focused on as opposed to the name. I get the fact that some don't fancy him.....but he is developing and getting used to our club.....do we start all over again with another spate with another keeper getting used to our defence. I am not convinced either way, just think sometimes we are too quick to condemn. If there is one position where I look at stability I.e Colin Withers, Nigel spink,Mark Bosnich ......its Goalkeeper. We may be desperate to go up......but some things have to be developed too. ps **** me I have just seen a 16 year old show us the way home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 If we need a center back, I really think we should try to sign Ayala from Middlesbrough. He was the best center back in the championship last season, and has done well in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I know we had a good run defensively until the last couple of games, but that would not stop me looking to improve at the back. As we have seen in the last couple of games a decent team can unlock them easily enough. I would also add that if we want a more progressive attacking team, then our midfield need to trust the defence and I am not sure if they do. Could the negative play be a symptom of a fragile defence at the back, forcing the midfield to hang back? A new GK is a must, another CB and Gareth Barry or someone of his ilk to sit in front of the back line and we suddenly have a better look about us. That would hopefully bring better retention of the ball and allow our midfielders the licence to get forward more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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