Villan_of_oz Posted March 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I do. He's not very good. I find that quite strange, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he is well better than 'not very good' He has scored some valuable goals for us if only in a small sample of games. Without him we wouldn't have a chance of being second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Villan_of_oz said: I find that quite strange, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he is well better than 'not very good' He has scored some valuable goals for us if only in a small sample of games. Without him we wouldn't have a chance of being second. With a better striker we'd probably be in 2nd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: With a better striker we'd probably be in 2nd. I think Grabban could be that striker from now until end of the season. Looks a player. Hogan is ok he's just to weak. Defenders more often than not have control of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted March 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: With a better striker we'd probably be in 2nd. I hope your having a lend, I think that is a far stretch and over looking many other aspects our team could do better. Rather than blame one player, I think it was just our poor start and I've well gone past blaming anyone one person for that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 11 hours ago, brummybloke said: Part of a winning team , scares the oposition and puts in effort every game. Unless its a straight choice of grabban OR hogan , he starts every game. Grabban ahould take the left if adomah is out as snoddy is crap on the left. And if adomah and grealish are fit then he should start .. grabbans last goal was a hogan shot coming back off tge keeper. 100% effort is required from everyone every game Hogan has still given that If we're being accurate, Hogan missed a sitter following a John Terry header that came back off the keeper, thankfully Grabban was there to spare his blushes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 He's struggling again without Adomah and Grealish in the side, he is not getting as many chances and his runs are not getting picked out as often. Hogan is very 'specialist' and if you don't give him regular service he's not going to be all that effective. Personally I think Grabban is a better physical presence, appears to hold the ball up better and seems to be more likely to make things happen without service. So on that basis I'd start with Grabban against QPR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: I hope your having a lend, I think that is a far stretch and over looking many other aspects our team could do better. Rather than blame one player, I think it was just our poor start and I've well gone past blaming anyone one person for that. I'm not blaming Hogan for anything. He's just not very good. It's not his fault. he gives 100% and seems to have a great attitude. He's just a bit shit. I think if we'd had a better backup to Kodjia, instead of Hogan, then it's more than feasible to suggest we'd have picked up a few extra points. Given we're only 4 points off 2nd then my opinion is, had we got a better striker than Hogan, we could very well be in 2nd place. Edited March 2, 2018 by Stevo985 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think Grabban could be that striker from now until end of the season. Looks a player. He's certainly impressed me more in his few appearances than Hogan has in 12 months, to be brutally honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted March 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I'm not blaming Hogan for anything. He's just not very good. It's not his fault. he gives 100% and seems to have a great attitude. He's just a bit shit. I think if we'd had a better backup to Kodjia, instead of Hogan, then it's more than feasible to suggest we'd have picked up a few extra points. Given we're only 4 points off 2nd then my opinion is, had we got a better striker than Hogan, we could very well be in 2nd place. Yep that's fair enough, but had we got a worse striker than Hogan then we could be on the cusp of missing the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 2, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Yep that's fair enough, but had we got a worse striker than Hogan then we could be on the cusp of missing the playoffs. Possibly. It's hardly a ringing endorsement though, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Worse than 5 goals in 35+ appearances...........what are we talking here, Iain Dowie? I think we could have played without a striker entirely and we'd be on pretty much the same amount of points vs having Hogan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Lets be honest without Jack and Adomah in the team we are are not that good. So we struggle to have a player that doesn't really offer much but goals. We need our striker to be a lot more involved in general play. When we are at full strength it's not so important for him to do more that what his main job is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, lexicon said: I don't know what it is about him - even with the goalscoring run he went on, he's not looked confident. I think he struggles with the pressure and not having things set up around him makes the chances that fall to him scarcer and therefore even more pressure-inducing. I think most of his goals for Brentford were borne out of creating confusion, by commiting bodies to attack.....but of course there is a trade off for the team doing that. Scott has to work on his own for us and gets easily crowded out.However I am not writing him off, he is essentially a fox in the box and someone needed in the squad for Steve to use tactically. Edited March 2, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Lets be honest without Jack and Adomah in the team we are are not that good. So we struggle to have a player that doesn't really offer much but goals. We need our striker to be a lot more involved in general play. When we are at full strength it's not so important for him to do more that what his main job is. We just lose our edge,without them. what would any of the top 6 be without their playmakers. Edited March 2, 2018 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He's struggling again without Adomah and Grealish in the side, he is not getting as many chances and his runs are not getting picked out as often. Hogan is very 'specialist' and if you don't give him regular service he's not going to be all that effective. Personally I think Grabban is a better physical presence, appears to hold the ball up better and seems to be more likely to make things happen without service. So on that basis I'd start with Grabban against QPR. That about sums it up for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 02/03/2018 at 12:03, Vive_La_Villa said: Lets be honest without Jack and Adomah in the team we are are not that good. So we struggle to have a player that doesn't really offer much but goals. We need our striker to be a lot more involved in general play. When we are at full strength it's not so important for him to do more that what his main job is. Good post - I agree with you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 02/03/2018 at 08:06, Villan_of_oz said: I find that quite strange, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he is well better than 'not very good' He has scored some valuable goals for us if only in a small sample of games. Without him we wouldn't have a chance of being second. You're right. Without him and his goals, we could be some points off 2nd place. He just needs the right service, hence, his upturn in form when Grealish came in to the side. I'm confident he'll net a few more before the season is out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On an extremely simplistic level, if you simply deduct his goals from the results as they stand, we'd be 7 points worse off, so that's fair comment. However, he's only scored in 4 of the 27 league games he's been involved in, so you could just as reasonably argue that a return more in keeping with a £12m striker, would see us closer to the top off the table than we are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 are we judging contribution by goals alone? not that i think he is a fantastic player but being a nuisance is a quality not able to be measured by numbers. just a little simplistic for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted March 4, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted March 4, 2018 i think there is little wrong with Hogan's ability. The issue surrounding Hogan is our style of play and the way in which the manager chooses to play him. He is not the type of striker who works well on his own. He needs someone with him to play passes in behind the defense for him to run on to. We rarely play this way, and never play this way without Grealish in the team. In a team that plays more attacking/creative football Hogan would score goals. I dont blame Hogan for his performances, i do place some blame on Bruce for the way he has utilized him, but accept a potion of this has been out of necessity. What i blame bruce more for, is signing a player that doesn't suit the way he has set out teams at any point in his managerial career. Bruce has never sent teams out regularly to play in such a way as to maximize Hogans abilities. We should never have signed him, and should have brought in a more physical striker instead who might have been able to offer us more when played up top on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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