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5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I do. He's not very good.

I find that quite strange, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he is well better than 'not very good'

He has scored some valuable goals for us if only in a small sample of games. Without him we wouldn't have a chance of being second. 

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1 minute ago, Villan_of_oz said:

I find that quite strange, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he is well better than 'not very good'

He has scored some valuable goals for us if only in a small sample of games. Without him we wouldn't have a chance of being second. 

With a better striker we'd probably be in 2nd.

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1 hour ago, Stevo985 said:

With a better striker we'd probably be in 2nd.

I think Grabban could be that striker from now until end of the season. Looks a player. 

Hogan is ok he's just to weak. Defenders more often than not have control of him. 

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1 hour ago, Stevo985 said:

With a better striker we'd probably be in 2nd.

I hope your having a lend, I think that is a far stretch and over looking many other aspects our team could do better.

Rather than blame one player, I think it was just our poor start and I've well gone past blaming anyone one person for that.

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11 hours ago, brummybloke said:

Part of a winning team , scares the oposition and puts in effort every game.

 

Unless its a straight choice of grabban OR hogan , he starts every game.

 

Grabban ahould take the left if adomah is out as snoddy is crap on the left.

 

And if adomah and grealish are fit then he should start .. grabbans last goal was a hogan shot coming back off tge keeper.

 

100% effort is required from everyone every game

 

Hogan has still given that

If we're being accurate, Hogan missed a sitter following a John Terry header that came back off the keeper, thankfully Grabban was there to spare his blushes

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He's struggling again without Adomah and Grealish in the side, he is not getting as many chances and his runs are not getting picked out as often. Hogan is very 'specialist' and if you don't give him regular service he's not going to be all that effective. 

Personally I think Grabban is a better physical presence, appears to hold the ball up better and seems to be more likely to make things happen without service. So on that basis I'd start with Grabban against QPR.

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19 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said:

I hope your having a lend, I think that is a far stretch and over looking many other aspects our team could do better.

Rather than blame one player, I think it was just our poor start and I've well gone past blaming anyone one person for that.

I'm not blaming Hogan for anything.

He's just not very good. It's not his fault. he gives 100% and seems to have a great attitude. He's just a bit shit.

I think if we'd had a better backup to Kodjia, instead of Hogan, then it's more than feasible to suggest we'd have picked up a few extra points. Given we're only 4 points off 2nd then my opinion is, had we got a better striker than Hogan, we could very well be in 2nd place.

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44 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I think Grabban could be that striker from now until end of the season. Looks a player. 

He's certainly impressed me more in his few appearances than Hogan has in 12 months, to be brutally honest.

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18 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I'm not blaming Hogan for anything.

He's just not very good. It's not his fault. he gives 100% and seems to have a great attitude. He's just a bit shit.

I think if we'd had a better backup to Kodjia, instead of Hogan, then it's more than feasible to suggest we'd have picked up a few extra points. Given we're only 4 points off 2nd then my opinion is, had we got a better striker than Hogan, we could very well be in 2nd place.

Yep that's fair enough, but had we got a worse striker than Hogan then we could be on the cusp of missing the playoffs.

 

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16 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said:

Yep that's fair enough, but had we got a worse striker than Hogan then we could be on the cusp of missing the playoffs.

 

Possibly. It's hardly a ringing endorsement though, is it?

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Lets be honest without Jack and Adomah in the team we are are not that good. So we struggle to have a player that doesn't really offer much but goals.  We need our striker to be a lot more involved in general play. 

When we are at full strength it's not so important for him to do more that what his main job is. 

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4 hours ago, lexicon said:

I don't know what it is about him - even with the goalscoring run he went on, he's not looked confident. I think he struggles with the pressure and not having things set up around him makes the chances that fall to him scarcer and therefore even more pressure-inducing. 

I think most of his goals for Brentford were borne out of creating confusion, by commiting bodies to attack.....but of course there is a trade off for the team doing that.

Scott has to work on his own for us and gets easily crowded out.However I am not writing him off, he is essentially a fox in the box and someone needed in the squad for Steve to use tactically.

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9 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Lets be honest without Jack and Adomah in the team we are are not that good. So we struggle to have a player that doesn't really offer much but goals.  We need our striker to be a lot more involved in general play. 

When we are at full strength it's not so important for him to do more that what his main job is. 

We just lose our edge,without them.

what would any of the top 6 be without their playmakers.

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6 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

He's struggling again without Adomah and Grealish in the side, he is not getting as many chances and his runs are not getting picked out as often. Hogan is very 'specialist' and if you don't give him regular service he's not going to be all that effective. 

Personally I think Grabban is a better physical presence, appears to hold the ball up better and seems to be more likely to make things happen without service. So on that basis I'd start with Grabban against QPR.

That about sums it up for me. 

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On 02/03/2018 at 12:03, Vive_La_Villa said:

Lets be honest without Jack and Adomah in the team we are are not that good. So we struggle to have a player that doesn't really offer much but goals.  We need our striker to be a lot more involved in general play. 

When we are at full strength it's not so important for him to do more that what his main job is. 

Good post - I agree with you 

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On 02/03/2018 at 08:06, Villan_of_oz said:

I find that quite strange, I'm not his biggest fan but I think he is well better than 'not very good'

He has scored some valuable goals for us if only in a small sample of games. Without him we wouldn't have a chance of being second. 

You're right. Without him and his goals, we could be some points off 2nd place. He just needs the right service, hence,  his upturn in form when Grealish came in to the side. I'm confident he'll net a few more before the season is out.

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On an extremely simplistic level, if you simply deduct his goals from the results as they stand, we'd be 7 points worse off, so that's fair comment.  However, he's only scored in 4 of the 27 league games he's been involved in, so you could just as reasonably argue that a return more in keeping with a £12m striker, would see us closer to the top off the table than we are.

 

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i think there is little wrong with Hogan's ability.

The issue surrounding Hogan is our style of play and the way in which the manager chooses to play him.

He is not the type of striker who works well on his own.  He needs someone with him to play passes in behind the defense for him to run on to.

We rarely play this way, and never play this way without Grealish in the team.

In a team that plays more attacking/creative football Hogan would score goals. 

I dont blame Hogan for his performances, i do place some blame on Bruce for the way he has utilized him, but accept a potion of this has been out of necessity.  What i blame bruce more for, is signing a player that doesn't suit the way he has set out teams at any point in his managerial career.  Bruce has never sent teams out regularly to play in such a way as to maximize Hogans abilities.

We should never have signed him, and should have brought in a more physical striker instead who might have been able to offer us more when played up top on his own.

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